XF - Old v new purchase

[Pvapour]

After a while of looking the XF is at the top of my list but after my last experince (04 530d) i'm veering away from diesel but the trouble is i much prefer the facelift looks.

Other problem is i really want folding rear seats, cooled front seats and adaptive cruise (latter really works well where i live) which puts me in portfolio teritory i think?

Considering the above and cant quite find a definnitive answer on google, can people advise as to:

1) which different trims came with adaptive cruise as standard
2) is bluetooth audio available on older model? And on all facelift
3) are the 3.0 diesels reliable? Power is fine by me, 240 is enough.
4) cooled seats, old v new model? Which trim again

Cheers for any pointers

[lord summerisle]

I dont think Adaptive Cruise is a standard feature at any trim level - it's an option that can be added to all. look for 2 cruise switches on the right hand side of the wheel. a single rocker switch is the cruise, the second rocker is the adaptive cruise. (limiter is a separate button near the handbrake control)

60/40 split folding rear seats are standard on the portfolio saloon, option on lower trims.

Heated and cooled seats - again portfolio and up as standard.

lower trims - heated only. no option for cooled.

[Pvapour]

cheers, a few have the wheel dial on steering wheel (trying to view from ad pics) but don't mention adaptive, maybe they don't know they have it, or dealer doesn't...

any views on diesel reliability ? (assuming non town driving)

[mike_e]

My Portfolio has Cooled front Seats and Split folding rear seats as standard, but no adaptive Cruise which I'm sure was an optional extra. You need to look for two wheel dials on the RHS of the steering wheel, if there's only one then its just basic cruise control. I went for the S version as its just as economical, if not more so than the 240bhp version, low 30's around town and mid 40's on a run. Engine's been bombproof so far apart from the water in fuel sensor. Quite quiet as diesels go too. Only downside is the Cam Belt which is a pig to change and comes with a hefty bill but its 10 years or 100k so not too frequent. Suspension is more of an issue with these cars, front lower arm bushes can wear out quickly, mine need doing and its done less than 45k miles.

[BenjiS]

On the saloon split folding rear seats can be retrofitted. The hinge mechanisms are always there, you just need to get the cables and latches to attach, so I wouldn't get too hung up on finding a car with them. Details of how to and a parts list are here:

http://www.jaginfo.org/showthread.php?1223-How-to-...

Adaptive cruise was always (and still is even on the X260) an option, that not many people spec, so hard to find.

Cooled seats could be optioned on cars lower than the Portfolio. My Dad has an S Premium Luxury with cooled seats, again though, rare that people optioned it, most just bought a Portfolio as the difference in price between that and a PL was very little towards the end of the X250 facelift.

Bluetooth audio profile was never available on the X250. Bluetooth telephone, yes, no problem.

And when you say 'old v new' do you mean old X250 to facelift X250 (round headlights pre 2011 to DRL headlights post-2011), or X250 to X260 (the completely new XF released in 2016?)

Edited by BenjiS on Tuesday 25th July 12:59

[Triple7]

Facelift Portfolio everytime, make it the S as well, 275BHP, the 3.0V6D is the best oil burner out their imho.

Adative Cruise will be extremely rare as it was always a factory option. I have it on my XKR and it does make a huge difference to my commute, but I got lucky....I think yiu will find the only cars that will have will be the ex-Jag management cars, which tended to be higher spec TOTR models with different options. Sunroofs fit into this bracket as well......

As for reliability, then the engine is bomb proof, but dpf's 'maybe' something to think about, if youndo more very short trips, than long ones.

Good luck, the Portfolio S's are getting rare with low miles......failing that the XFR has all the same features as the Portfolio's!

[Pvapour]

thanks gents, it was the facelift i was on about not the 2016> model

I only have 10k to throw at it so its a squeeze to get what I'm looking for, i think it'll have to be diesel even though id prefer not after my e60, i only do long journeys though and am very familiar with the whole region business unfortunately

great info on the seats, though i think portfolio or PL is what I'll plump for is so much of what i want is available on these two, I've just found a 2012 PL 'S' with cooled seats on budget, does this wheel look like it has Ad. Cruise?

https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=3...

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 25th July 16:19

[lord summerisle]

Pvapour said:

does this wheel look like it has Ad. Cruise?

https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=3...

that just has the normal cruise.

[lord summerisle]

heres a picture of one with ACC

[Pvapour]

Thanks, i should read better as you said two toggles on right, sorry.

If you had o choose between a low mileage Portfolio non facelift 3.0d and a lower spec facelift, which would you choose? Is it just cosmetics with the facelift ? or any dynamic differences / niggles they ironed out?

Some are specced with 20" wheels, is the ride good enough to take these without becoming crashy? I'm coming from an e60 with 16" wheels which im fine with.

Dont Think im going to get to hung on adaptive cruise but want at least the cooled seats.

Sorry for bombardment!

[lord summerisle]

Pvapour said:

Thanks, i should read better as you said two toggles on right, sorry.

If you had o choose between a low mileage Portfolio non facelift 3.0d and a lower spec facelift, which would you choose? Is it just cosmetics with the facelift ? or any dynamic differences / niggles they ironed out?

Some are specced with 20" wheels, is the ride good enough to take these without becoming crashy? I'm coming from an e60 with 16" wheels which im fine with.

Dont Think im going to get to hung on adaptive cruise but want at least the cooled seats.

Sorry for bombardment!

I love the cooled seats and the uprated stereo of our portfolio sportbrake. We chose between a lower mileage, more expensive Luxury spec... and a 100k + mileage portfolio. Havent had a look at the pre-facelifted saloons so cant tell you if they have Bluetooth, but i think it's been standard through out the model. There is also an Aux 3.5mm jack and a USB and 12v socket in the bin between the front seats.

Edited by lord summerisle on Tuesday 25th July 21:16

[Pvapour]

well it seems it was all cosmetic for the facelift with only minor differences in the cabin, the rear is nigh on identical.

My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.

does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...

[BenjiS]

Pvapour said:

well it seems it was all cosmetic for the facelift with only minor differences in the cabin, the rear is nigh on identical.

My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.

does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...

No, it's not all cosmetic with the facelift. They also went to an 8 speed gearbox, gained stop start, got better ICE software, made HID lights standard on higher models, amongst other things.

Try and get a facelift if you can.

[Pvapour]

BenjiS said:

Pvapour said:

well it seems it was all cosmetic for the facelift with only minor differences in the cabin, the rear is nigh on identical.

My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.

does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...

No, it's not all cosmetic with the facelift. They also went to an 8 speed gearbox, gained stop start, got better ICE software, made HID lights standard on higher models, amongst other things.

Try and get a facelift if you can.

thanks

so, for £10k I've got to find:

- facelift 3.0
- mileage up to 100k
- S preferred (but not essential)
- PL or Port (cooled seats really wanted)
- Grey, silver, white anything bright and easy to keep clean (definitely not black)
- light interior preferred but understand this nigh on impossible with light exterior

I've searched all the normal venues, ebay, PH, AT, motors.uk, I can get close but not quite, if anyone can do better then I'm eternally in your debt

Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 27th July 10:46

[Pvapour]

close http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...


but already sold

[BenjiS]

Hmm, facelift will probably be a struggle on that budget.

If we take away the facelift requirement, this looks good. Has cooled seats, HID lights, S model, light interior and exterior.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

[Pvapour]

BenjiS said:

Hmm, facelift will probably be a struggle on that budget.

If we take away the facelift requirement, this looks good. Has cooled seats, HID lights, S model, light interior and exterior.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

that is perfect and on my saved list but would you pay 11k for a non facelift considering the one above that I only just missed?

tbh if i went non facelift I'd be fair i think to expect to pay probably 9>9.5, mind you, he could well take that figure...

apparently the guy that just sold the facelift one i posted above has another and is advertising tomorrow morning, PL S again, not sure on colour though as Skype line was crap

[BenjiS]

Pretty much depends on how much you value fuel economy, as that's the main thing the newer 8 spd box and stop/start gives.

I had a 2009 3.0d Premium Luxury, that I paid 16k for in 2013 on 50k miles, for a couple of years and it was a great car. Never had a facelift as I was lucky enough to be able to jump to a 2017 S.

Edited by BenjiS on Thursday 27th July 12:32

[Pvapour]

BenjiS said:

Pretty much depends on how much you value fuel economy, as that's the main thing the newer 8 spd box and stop/start gives.

I had a 2009 3.0d Premium Luxury for a couple of years and it was a great car. Never had a facelift as I was lucky enough to be able to jump to a 2017 S.

not one jot on mpg tbh, but if it drives allot better.... i hate stop start and would remove with software anyway

[BenjiS]

No difference in how they handle, or performance. 8 speed box is a bit smoother through the gears, due to it having more to play with.

The biggest failing on the 'classic' was always the standard headlights, which were rubbish. So if you do go for one, make sure it has HIDs which were optional on all models.