Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Design

[u33db]

Oppo said:

When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.

I would actually!

I owned both a 1.6T Corsa D and plain 1.4 daily for ages...the 1.6T got traded to help buy a new car for the wife, then the 1.4 traded for a Fiesta Ecoboost. I could never get on with the Fiesta and regretted selling the 1.6T Corsa on daily basis so only 9 months later the Fiesta got chopped in for a last of the line Corsa E VXR.

I've not looked back - its as fast as any similar class car and does everything i need.

Ok, its heavy on tax and fuel but i'd take that any day e.g. over the likes of Fords weird and wonderful engines... at least the VX is a proven design that you can easily work on unlike those stty 1.0 and above Ecoboost engines which aren't built to last.

[lornemalvo]

Jimmy Recard said:

lornemalvo said:

The people on this thread who extol the brilliance of the Mokka's design clearly set a low bar and need to pay more attention to what else is out there. The Mokka is a typical modern car, it is pure white goods, pretending to be an SUV, whereas in my opinion any decent SUV needs 4 wheel drive to suit owners' perceived "active lifestyle". The Mokka is ubiquitous, homogeneous crap that looks like any other pretend SUV that seem to flood the roads now thanks to the perpetual, inescapable cycle of debt that is PCP. Owners who extol their virtues have clearly never owned a seriously good car. For anyone who wants cheap A to B transport they are probably fine but please don't wax lyrical about the design.

Plenty of them do have four wheel drive.

I would not buy a Mokka, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable car for someone who wants a car like that. Much like the Ford or VW or Renault or whatever equivalent. It won’t be any better or worse

Around 1 in 8 of those for sale do have four wheel drive ( I must admit I did not know this) but the majority do not

[Evanivitch]

Oppo said:

When you're own on your deathbed I dont think you'll look back on that Vauxhall and think "i'm glad I owned that" yet you could, strangely, with a Ford or Renault because they did exactly what the Vauxhall did but put a smile on your face behind the wheel.

They only people smiling in a Ford Mondeo are doggers.

[The Li-ion King]

u33db said:

The Li-ion King said:

None of the cars shout excitement, more functional than anything else.

This makes me laugh, you seem to have forgotten about all the VXR models and numerous other fast Vauxhalls that have come and gone??

Particularly in recent years i think it'd be fair to say the fast vauxhalls all sport far more aggressive, and exciting styling compared to the equivalent Ford that all the fan boys on here seem to love, and also most of these Vauxhalls were usually built YEARS before Ford or whoever got their act together to catch up in terms of build quality and performance.

Even the base models are very good though.

There have been some great cars from VX, I grew up with the Nova GTE, have had fast Astra's and even got a surprise in the form of a Vectra 3.2 V6 hire car. Even some of the Astra CDTi's have been a hoot. It's the very similar looking SUV range which is uninspiring, but that's just my personal choice. There's been good cars like the Monaro, even if it was a re badged Holden, plus the VX220 was great.

For context, I have owned 4 Vauxhall's compared to two Ford's (and had more issues with the Fords - Orion burnt oil like no tomorrow, Mondeo had issues with the Delphi Injectors)... everyone has their own preference, I started with a Yugo 513, had Metro's and even a Talbot Alpine Rapier, so no snobbery here... my "daily" is a Transit Connect, though I would have preferred the Vauxhall Combo

[Dadoc2001]

Never ridden in one and never been a consideration of ours but seem very popular in the caravan/towing fraternity. Am I right in saying the 4x4 versions have a tow 'limit' of 2200kgs over most tow cars 2000kgs?

[rallycross]

Dadoc2001 said:

very popular in the caravan/towing fraternity.?

I will leave that there for consideration.

Just one change, delete the bit about towing but leave the bit about caravanists, there wont be many of these stboxes being used as tow cars in your local race car paddock, the Mokka is an utterly cack vehicle in all respects (yes I have driven a few, petrol and diesel). A car designed to be hand picked by idiots.

[anonymous-user]

Monkeylegend said:

Oppo said:

Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...

And this is when we know you are losing the argument.

And this is when we know you own a vauxhall. How predictable.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Nothing actually.

I drive many different cars and have driven pretty much everything (sprt of McLaren F1s and 250 GTOs) literally thousands in various jobs.

When ever I'm in a vauxhall the only redeemable feature is that it is slightly better than walking to the destination.

I should point out that the only Vauxhalls I like are ones that aren't really Vauxhalls. ie had input from others..VX220, Monaro, VXR8, Lotus Carlton. Note the key thing there is that had to have others input to make anything decent.

[SidewaysSi]

anonymous said:

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So you don't own a car. Have you ever owned one?

[anonymous-user]

SidewaysSi said:

So you don't own a car. Have you ever owned one?

I can sense you and others frothing at the mouth waiting to slag off my car simply because I said Vauxhalls are st (which they are) but no, I haven't owned a car. Never needed to.

Not all 'empty garagers' on here hide because they're scared someone will rifle through it as ammunition because they're butt hurt I slated their Astra.

[SidewaysSi]

Oppo said:

SidewaysSi said:

So you don't own a car. Have you ever owned one?

I can sense you and others frothing at the mouth waiting to slag off my car simply because I said Vauxhalls are st (which they are) but no, I haven't owned a car. Never needed to.

Not all 'empty garagers' on here hide because they're scared someone will rifle through it as ammunition because they're butt hurt I dont slated their Astra.

Says it all. And not sure I understand your last sentence.

[anonymous-user]

SidewaysSi said:

Says it all. And not sure I understand your last sentence.

Yes, it says it all for people like you.

[James_33]

Oppo said:

SidewaysSi said:

So you don't own a car. Have you ever owned one?

I can sense you and others frothing at the mouth waiting to slag off my car simply because I said Vauxhalls are st (which they are) but no, I haven't owned a car. Never needed to.

Not all 'empty garagers' on here hide because they're scared someone will rifle through it as ammunition because they're butt hurt I slated their Astra.

Bus wker

[A1VDY]

Amazing how things turn into personal slagging so easily on PH. All over a mundane volume car... lol..

[Mr Tidy]

[quote=A1VDY]Amazing how things turn into personal slagging so easily on PH. All over a mundane volume car... lol.. [/quote

Yes, that seems to have followed the normal path!

I saw an Astra VXR yesterday that looked and sounded great, but it wasn't a "Mokka Turbo" or any other similar hateful cr*p.

[WonkeyDonkey]

greenarrow said:

I think tbf, the Corsa is well past its sell by date, but the Astra and Insignia are class competitive. The 1.4T SRI Astra for example, is I believe used by a particular high performance driving instructor who has worked with F1 drivers, so I dont think it can be that bad!

I'm not a particular Vauxhall fan either, but I do think its odd how many anti Vauxhall threads develop on here. You would never see such vitriol directed at Citroen, Renault, Peugeot etc,who make equally bland and generic white goods type vehicles.

Most car manufacturers make bland cars, just look at the identikit range that the germans produce. They get a free pass though because of 'german engineering'.

Just face it, nearly all modern cars are rather dull. Just Vauxhall's are the cheap target as they don't have the faux badge value that bmw or VW has.

[Monkeylegend]

Oppo said:

Monkeylegend said:

Oppo said:

Cue lots of Vauxhall owning saddos disagreeing...

And this is when we know you are losing the argument.

And this is when we know you own a vauxhall. How predictable.

Its all in my garage if you care to look, but to save you the effort I own two Mercs and a Renault Yes I did say owned not hired.

I would not start a career as a fortune teller

[James_33]

WonkeyDonkey said:

greenarrow said:

I think tbf, the Corsa is well past its sell by date, but the Astra and Insignia are class competitive. The 1.4T SRI Astra for example, is I believe used by a particular high performance driving instructor who has worked with F1 drivers, so I dont think it can be that bad!

I'm not a particular Vauxhall fan either, but I do think its odd how many anti Vauxhall threads develop on here. You would never see such vitriol directed at Citroen, Renault, Peugeot etc,who make equally bland and generic white goods type vehicles.

Most car manufacturers make bland cars, just look at the identikit range that the germans produce. They get a free pass though because of 'german engineering'.

Just face it, nearly all modern cars are rather dull. Just Vauxhall's are the cheap target as they don't have the faux badge value that bmw or VW has.

That's the question though isn't it, IF it did have the "premium" badge on it would people flock to it? I dare say some would yes because badge snobbery exists whether people admit it or not, but as stated by some already, some people love to hate because it's the "cool" thing to do when it comes to vauxhall on here.

I've owned one vauxhall in my approaching 20 years of driving, a pretty basic 1.4 Astra (2006) i owned that for 5 years, and on 2 occasions did a 1,000 mile round trip with my Mrs, and 3 kids in the back all with the boot completely packed out, never once did it let me down in the entire time i owned it.

I've also been in the newer ones too but only because my workplace has had them over the years as fleet cars, and they are better than what i had in terms of styling and interior etc but i think a lot of people forget that these cars are not built to compete with the Germans, and the price reflects that.

Fact of the matter is what a lot of PH consider great and a "drivers car" and all the rest that gets churned out on here is a minority, and the mass market is full of cars just like the mokka and other similar variants from other manufacturers which is exactly why Vauxhall and others alike keep churning them out, because they sell well.

[Jimmy Recard]

Monkeylegend said:

Its all in my garage if you care to look, but to save you the effort I own two Mercs and a Renault Yes I did say owned not hired.

I would not start a career as a fortune teller

Weird, isn’t it? I have a Mercedes and a Mazda, but I would consider a Vauxhall alongside the other options. I’ve had several in the past

[Monkeylegend]

Jimmy Recard said:

Monkeylegend said:

Its all in my garage if you care to look, but to save you the effort I own two Mercs and a Renault Yes I did say owned not hired.

I would not start a career as a fortune teller

Weird, isn’t it? I have a Mercedes and a Mazda, but I would consider a Vauxhall alongside the other options. I’ve had several in the past

I know, I will be ridiculed but I am seriously considering a Mokka as a runabout to replace my E Class and I don't care what anybody else thinks.

Well I have had three Scenics