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RaymondVanDerDon said:
What solo activities did you do to get increased light armour/weapons? As although I have done a lot of the quests/raids in the game I've always struggled to max my light level (highest is 393).
Mainly Archon's Forge and Siva heroic strikes. Also being thoughtful about which chest to open with skeleton keys to make sure you get the type of gear you want. For example, if you need a helmet then use a key on Blighted Chalice (Malok) strike.
WHYIOUGHTA!!!!!
I'm a bit disappointed to have no internet for Crota as it's the most fun and accessible raid, but not overly fussed, so my Destiny addiction is well and truly broken (and has been for a while). Hopefully it'll be VoG on reset as I should be on by Saturday.
What's more disappointing though is the fact that I can't get on to go for a solo/flawless/melee only run to show you scrubs how it's done.
Probably could have used you last night, we did well for the amount of rust that the team was covered in, beat the first challenge mode which was tricky but got there in the end, Crota himself was not as successful although we were so close on a few occasions.One thing hasn't changed, Crota is still a buggy slag, laggy, teleporting, appearing under the bridge and generally doing random things. Did bag an exotic elemental pulse, a Sworbreaker(didn't ever get a year 1 version) and a fusion rifle as well as a skirt.
Looking forward to VOG, although if Crota is anything to go by, its not going to be easy.
Indeed.
Bungie seem to have fixed all the cheese spots - no more sword swinging over the bridge, and blocked off the ledge we all used to use for Crota himself which necessitates a much more mobile encounter- but not fixed any of the Crota AI issues. We had some lag issues despite trying a couple of different hosts and everyone with green bar connections, Crota teleporting a few feet on occasions, swords disappearing or simply not being able to pick them up... some things never change!
Nevertheless, we had him mighty close on a couple of occasions but time simply wasn't on our side. We did manage a clutch on Deathsinger challenge though, Pappers dealing the finishing blow when the counter had already ticked beyond 1 second remaining. I recorded said effort as well, though those of a sensitive disposition may want to mute the audio - I've got my mic set to allow recording, so you can hear the very occasional naughty word that I may have uttered.
https://youtu.be/0H40BpAtoEk
Bungie seem to have fixed all the cheese spots - no more sword swinging over the bridge, and blocked off the ledge we all used to use for Crota himself which necessitates a much more mobile encounter- but not fixed any of the Crota AI issues. We had some lag issues despite trying a couple of different hosts and everyone with green bar connections, Crota teleporting a few feet on occasions, swords disappearing or simply not being able to pick them up... some things never change!
Nevertheless, we had him mighty close on a couple of occasions but time simply wasn't on our side. We did manage a clutch on Deathsinger challenge though, Pappers dealing the finishing blow when the counter had already ticked beyond 1 second remaining. I recorded said effort as well, though those of a sensitive disposition may want to mute the audio - I've got my mic set to allow recording, so you can hear the very occasional naughty word that I may have uttered.
https://youtu.be/0H40BpAtoEk
Crota was definitely feeling more crispy in our runs, no massive problems. Weapons of Light bubble on the rock you jump up to attack him from means it's possible in 3 downs, more realistically 4, or a safe 5.
A well placed Celestial Nighthawk GG shot kneels Crota and basically destroys the oversoul, if he stands up before the oversoul is destroyed he doesn't spawn a second one.
Going to have a crack at new VOG tonight, can't wait!
A well placed Celestial Nighthawk GG shot kneels Crota and basically destroys the oversoul, if he stands up before the oversoul is destroyed he doesn't spawn a second one.
Going to have a crack at new VOG tonight, can't wait!
We were just really rusty as well, even for bits of the Raid that were utterly routine two years ago.
For example, as Crota has been going down in one sword since Taken King launched, we haven't had to worry about Ogres for two years, so we ended up forgetting to run to the side rooms.
It was cracking fun though, and whilst I don't really feel the need to hit every single revisited raid three times a week, it did press home just how good Destiny can be at its finest.
For example, as Crota has been going down in one sword since Taken King launched, we haven't had to worry about Ogres for two years, so we ended up forgetting to run to the side rooms.
It was cracking fun though, and whilst I don't really feel the need to hit every single revisited raid three times a week, it did press home just how good Destiny can be at its finest.
Oh so very rusty, I found myself pressing entirely the wrong buttons on occasion having spent much of my recent gaming time playing something other than Destiny *Must throw a grenade now* Find myself punching thin air 
I think the bridge is now a really fun part of that raid, having to do it "properly" is great and the twist at the end of the encounter just brilliant IMO
Sims, I'm glad you captured and posted the vid of the Ir Yut challenge. After what must have been at least 10 goes at trying to get it done, the moment Matty smashed that witch in the dying second was an utterly fantastic feeling. As a result, the overly loud "woo hoo" noise that I may have been responsible for, meant other half came to investigate what was up Adept Word of Crota too ...
We were robbed when it came to taking down Crota though - sure, we had several goes at it, but he should have been dead a good 45 mins before we had to call it a day. That cheating so and so, refusing to die when his health was, I swear, in negative figures ...
Based on the the CE experience, I think VoG will be pretty tough, especially if you are going for the challenges. I've never got past Daughter's in KF or the daft siege thing in WotM (normal modes only), so they may well be a Raid too far at 390, but I'd give it a go for the laughs
BUT, I echo the sentiment, it does remind you that raiding / co-op with friends is the best part of the game by a country mile
I think the bridge is now a really fun part of that raid, having to do it "properly" is great and the twist at the end of the encounter just brilliant IMO
Sims, I'm glad you captured and posted the vid of the Ir Yut challenge. After what must have been at least 10 goes at trying to get it done, the moment Matty smashed that witch in the dying second was an utterly fantastic feeling. As a result, the overly loud "woo hoo" noise that I may have been responsible for, meant other half came to investigate what was up
Adept Word of Crota too ...We were robbed when it came to taking down Crota though - sure, we had several goes at it, but he should have been dead a good 45 mins before we had to call it a day. That cheating so and so, refusing to die when his health was, I swear, in negative figures ...
Based on the the CE experience, I think VoG will be pretty tough, especially if you are going for the challenges. I've never got past Daughter's in KF or the daft siege thing in WotM (normal modes only), so they may well be a Raid too far at 390, but I'd give it a go for the laughs
BUT, I echo the sentiment, it does remind you that raiding / co-op with friends is the best part of the game by a country mile
Had a crack at VOG last night but got stuck at Templar challenge, they've increased the pace a lot of the oracles to the point where it seems like challenge mode technique is the best option, but as a team of 4 we just didn't have the firepower.
I've heard Atheon challenge requires 6 people so we'll need to find 2 more for that. Worrying as a lot of people playing now never really did VOG.
I've heard Atheon challenge requires 6 people so we'll need to find 2 more for that. Worrying as a lot of people playing now never really did VOG.
Apologies to everyone I had to bail on yesterday, but the Mrs was letting me know in no uncertain terms that my play time was long over, so I had to cut and run. Also, further apologies to Matty and Stimps for recording my gloating. Had to be done!
I jumped in on a quick Nightfall and finally got something I'd been after for a while.
https://youtu.be/kAkbmYI2t0k
Yes, finally pulled Ice Breaker, despite doing pretty much two-thirds of bugger all to deserve it.
Anyway, Vault of Glass still feels special, doesn't it? Crota may be simpler and arguably more gung-ho fun, and Wrath of the Machine is arguably the better overall raid, but there's something about Vault that just means it feels timeless, no pun intended and the Templar challenge mode was actually trickier than anticipated, especially after seeing the internet and his dog decry it as "super easy".
I suspect that is more a case of false bravado, "Oh yeah, I did that once, therefore it was 'super easy', and it you can't do it then you need to git gud scrub."
So, no, it wasn't easy. It was good fun though, and once we'd settled in to a rhythm we started to take increasingly large chunks off Templar each time, before finally getting him to go down. I was running on fumes at that point, no special, no heavy, synths on cooldown. Still, it was worth the effort, and I suspect subsequent runs would be considerably smoother. I've still got Templar CP if you fancy another crack this weekend.
Loot drops were generous to some, less so to others.
https://youtu.be/z5KbWK_QgQ4
I had to run just before Atheon; did you guys manage to get it done?
I jumped in on a quick Nightfall and finally got something I'd been after for a while.
https://youtu.be/kAkbmYI2t0k
Yes, finally pulled Ice Breaker, despite doing pretty much two-thirds of bugger all to deserve it.
Anyway, Vault of Glass still feels special, doesn't it? Crota may be simpler and arguably more gung-ho fun, and Wrath of the Machine is arguably the better overall raid, but there's something about Vault that just means it feels timeless, no pun intended and the Templar challenge mode was actually trickier than anticipated, especially after seeing the internet and his dog decry it as "super easy".
I suspect that is more a case of false bravado, "Oh yeah, I did that once, therefore it was 'super easy', and it you can't do it then you need to git gud scrub."
So, no, it wasn't easy. It was good fun though, and once we'd settled in to a rhythm we started to take increasingly large chunks off Templar each time, before finally getting him to go down. I was running on fumes at that point, no special, no heavy, synths on cooldown. Still, it was worth the effort, and I suspect subsequent runs would be considerably smoother. I've still got Templar CP if you fancy another crack this weekend.
Loot drops were generous to some, less so to others.
https://youtu.be/z5KbWK_QgQ4
I had to run just before Atheon; did you guys manage to get it done?
Not easy, no, but I'm sure we'll have it down to 10mins soon enough.
Like I said at the time, let the runner run and call out if they think they're not gonna make it. As well intentioned as helping the blocks is, it can be more of a hindrance due to templar focusing on you straight away and getting in each others way. Although I've no doubt that there are better strategies now.
I'll be on late tonight and up for completing/templaring. As much as I love relic duty, someone else should do it. I don't want to be a relic hog!
ETA: We didn't complete. Got 1 round of good damage having done individual oracles, but Jamie kept getting disconnected so called it a night.
I don't think the act of killing individual oracles are too bad, more a case of not dying throughout the encounter so you're in a position to do so.
Like I said at the time, let the runner run and call out if they think they're not gonna make it. As well intentioned as helping the blocks is, it can be more of a hindrance due to templar focusing on you straight away and getting in each others way. Although I've no doubt that there are better strategies now.
I'll be on late tonight and up for completing/templaring. As much as I love relic duty, someone else should do it. I don't want to be a relic hog!
ETA: We didn't complete. Got 1 round of good damage having done individual oracles, but Jamie kept getting disconnected so called it a night.
I don't think the act of killing individual oracles are too bad, more a case of not dying throughout the encounter so you're in a position to do so.
Edited by lovechild on Saturday 8th April 11:27
Watched a video of another Templar run today, and it took about sixty seconds.
Take out Oracles, Relic holder takes down Templar shields, then everyone bar relic holder runs to the front of the Templar well (the area where Stimps and I are standing in my video above) and whilst the Relic holder focuses solely on blocking teleports, the remaining five team members use Sleeper Simulant to melt Templar. Tether and Weapons of Light help too, but yeah, there was a minute max between Templar shields going down and him collapsing into a broken heap.
Takes all the aggravation out of handling adds as well (bloody minotaurs!)
I'd still be up for finishing off the run tomorrow, and even maybe doing another time dependant.
Take out Oracles, Relic holder takes down Templar shields, then everyone bar relic holder runs to the front of the Templar well (the area where Stimps and I are standing in my video above) and whilst the Relic holder focuses solely on blocking teleports, the remaining five team members use Sleeper Simulant to melt Templar. Tether and Weapons of Light help too, but yeah, there was a minute max between Templar shields going down and him collapsing into a broken heap.
Takes all the aggravation out of handling adds as well (bloody minotaurs!)
I'd still be up for finishing off the run tomorrow, and even maybe doing another time dependant.
As per above, only using Gjally rather rather than Sleeper. Potential damage output is less (Gjally can't match a precision shot with Sleeper), but as its a rocket launcher you don't need the Templar to be be facing you, you just pop a Weapons bubble, tether, then aim and fire.
https://youtu.be/GR56Rocg0nw
ETA:
Right, so I think we've established that as long as the Relic holder can stay alive long enough and the remaining fireteam members have sufficient heavy ammo (including a synth in reserve if required) then the above seems to be the most consistent way to beat Templar challenge.
It's by no means foolproof, as waves of enemies will sometimes hover around a teleport point and destroy the Relic holder as they attempt to block, Templar can occasionally still teleport even with Relic holder on the plate, splash damage can really hurt the guardians trying to damage Templar if they're not careful. So no, it isn't foolproof, but it does seem at least vaguely reliable.
Bungie themselves apparently stated that Atheon challenge mode was the toughest one in the game. I'm not quite sure I agree with that; yes it requires a good chunk of communication to ensue that everyone is running in and out of portals, taking down an oracle and getting back outside, but one of biggest hurdles we had was running out of ammo. There were periods of time were I had no sniper or heavy ammo for three or four minute stretches. Still, it felt a lot less stressful than doing Aksis challenge mode. That is one thing I am never doing again.
Once we'd found our rhythm though, we were able to reliably reach Time's Vengeance with some consistency, only to be hamstrung by a stray Sleeper Simulant shot or an errant Shadowshot animation throwing a hunter off the middle platform. Or, as above, just running our of ammo. Finally got him down though, my haul for the Titan this run consisting of Vision of Confluence and Praedyth's Timepiece (both Adepts), a Found Verdict, and a couple of bits of raid armour.
Vid of succesful run, capturing the moment a year one player finally got their hands on arguably the most iconic raid weapon in the game. As before, pardon my potty mouth.
https://youtu.be/jtF6QZQfICc
https://youtu.be/GR56Rocg0nw
ETA:
Right, so I think we've established that as long as the Relic holder can stay alive long enough and the remaining fireteam members have sufficient heavy ammo (including a synth in reserve if required) then the above seems to be the most consistent way to beat Templar challenge.
It's by no means foolproof, as waves of enemies will sometimes hover around a teleport point and destroy the Relic holder as they attempt to block, Templar can occasionally still teleport even with Relic holder on the plate, splash damage can really hurt the guardians trying to damage Templar if they're not careful. So no, it isn't foolproof, but it does seem at least vaguely reliable.
Bungie themselves apparently stated that Atheon challenge mode was the toughest one in the game. I'm not quite sure I agree with that; yes it requires a good chunk of communication to ensue that everyone is running in and out of portals, taking down an oracle and getting back outside, but one of biggest hurdles we had was running out of ammo. There were periods of time were I had no sniper or heavy ammo for three or four minute stretches. Still, it felt a lot less stressful than doing Aksis challenge mode. That is one thing I am never doing again.
Once we'd found our rhythm though, we were able to reliably reach Time's Vengeance with some consistency, only to be hamstrung by a stray Sleeper Simulant shot or an errant Shadowshot animation throwing a hunter off the middle platform. Or, as above, just running our of ammo. Finally got him down though, my haul for the Titan this run consisting of Vision of Confluence and Praedyth's Timepiece (both Adepts), a Found Verdict, and a couple of bits of raid armour.
Vid of succesful run, capturing the moment a year one player finally got their hands on arguably the most iconic raid weapon in the game. As before, pardon my potty mouth.
https://youtu.be/jtF6QZQfICc
Edited by SimianWonder on Sunday 9th April 16:19
I believe that is / was Genesis Chain (if that's the auto rifle). One of the Wrath of the Machine raid weapons anyhow - not completely sure, as I only have the shotgun, Quantiplasm
Well, well, well - Stimps finally has his Fatebringer, I never thought I'd see the day
And there it is, immortalised forever on You Tube!
Well, well, well - Stimps finally has his Fatebringer, I never thought I'd see the day
And there it is, immortalised forever on You Tube!Edited by Moog72 on Monday 10th April 10:56
Yeah, my loadout was Genesis Chain (Wrath of the Machine auto rifle), Ex Machina (Wrath of the Machine sniper rifle) and Sleeper Simulant. Both Genesis and Ex Machina are, in my opinion, among the best weapons in the game for the role they are designed for, but if I'd had a legendary non-adept version of one of the Vault primaries (preferably a Vision of Confluence), I'd likely have used that as the Oracle disruptor perk helps bring them down much quicker. A full clip (30 shots) from Genesis chain, even when using focus fire, isn't enough to get the job done, and even Sleeper, contrary to some misinformation I've seen, can't one-shot them.
The pace of the Atheon encounter leaves you little time to think; it's a short battle and there seems to be a little hesitation before he teleports you now, that I don't recall previously, but once you're moved, it's relentless until you either burn him down, or something goes wrong and you wipe. It was a lot of fun, even if it did take a good hour or so of *ahem* practice runs before we got it done.
The pace of the Atheon encounter leaves you little time to think; it's a short battle and there seems to be a little hesitation before he teleports you now, that I don't recall previously, but once you're moved, it's relentless until you either burn him down, or something goes wrong and you wipe. It was a lot of fun, even if it did take a good hour or so of *ahem* practice runs before we got it done.
Had 2 pretty good VOG runs yesterday after LFG'ing two decent guys, managed to do Atheon Challenge in 4 minutes! It's pretty easy once everyone knows what they're doing and communicates, damage isn't really an issue just need to make sure the oracles go smoothly.
Had 3 adepts drop but only one legendary. The Adepts are great as they have elemental damage but unless there's that specific burn on I'd rather have the legendary and a different exotic.
Had 3 adepts drop but only one legendary. The Adepts are great as they have elemental damage but unless there's that specific burn on I'd rather have the legendary and a different exotic.
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