Gaming PCs Thread...time for a sticky / running thread?

Gaming PCs Thread...time for a sticky / running thread?

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toxicnerve

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24,453 posts

144 months

Tuesday 10th November 2015
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The thing is, a lot depends on the build and budget.

Big PSU? Sure, if you're going to run multiple GPUs and overclock.

i5 vs i7? Depends, i7 is obviously the one to go for but i5 offers more £/performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I

SSD? Again, M.2 has moved on and now it certainly does offer some advantages but they're expensive for the capacity:
http://techreport.com/review/28446/samsung-sm951-p...

There's typically a balance to be struck and it's a question of whether some of the relatively incremental gains are worth the often dramatic increases in cost.

Edited by toxicnerve on Tuesday 10th November 20:40

Jinx

10,479 posts

227 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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For a quick "will my PSU run this" calculation - PSU calculator

Shiv_P

2,225 posts

72 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Go either 6600k or 5820k - the 6700k is a total waste of money when an enthusiast grade chip like the 5820k is available - yes, the 6700k at the moment will be faster in most games, however you pay less for a 5820k and it is not a slow CPU - can still be usually clocked to 4.4+ and you get extra PCIE lanes, enthusiast grade CPU + board, 2 more cores + 4 more threads

toxicnerve

Original Poster:

24,453 posts

144 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Shiv,

When did the i7 get so expensive?

Jinx,

Have added the PSU calculator along with a couple of manufacturer ones into the OP.

Edited by toxicnerve on Wednesday 11th November 22:31

dai1983

2,453 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Following on from my previous thread on a budget ITX build I've come to the following parts list:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/jCzNt6) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/jCzNt6/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
  • CPU** | [Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34170) | £85.99 @ Amazon UK
  • Motherboard** | [Asus H81I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-h81iplus) | £52.38 @ Amazon UK
  • Memory** | [Kingston HyperX Fury Red 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx318c10fr8) | £29.94 @ Amazon UK
  • Storage** | [Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam) | £58.27 @ Amazon UK
  • Video Card** | [EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked Video Card](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42951kr) | £136.99 @ Amazon UK
  • Case** | [Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini ITX Tower Case](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc110kkn2) | £33.97 @ Amazon UK
  • Power Supply** | [SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss430st) | £39.99 @ Amazon UK
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **£437.53**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-11-12 07:38 GMT+0000 |

My reasoning behind the CPU and graphics card is that I intend on running Linux initally for steam games. There's conflicting evidence about weather skylake kit runs well on stable Linux distributions and apparently AMD GPUs are also poorly supported.

I'm still unsure about which MB or PSU is best but these ones I've added have decent reviews. I would consider a decent modular PSU around the same price bracket though. As I've said before I gat my VAT back at Amazon so everything needs to be available from there. I'd like to order in the next few days.

toxicnerve

Original Poster:

24,453 posts

144 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Why are you looking to run Linux for games? It's been a while since I tried and I guess things will have changed but I suspect it may still be a right ballache.

I would strongly advise running Windows 10 with Steam (Big Picture Mode) if that's your thing.

What's your maximum budget?

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Just putting this here, my build and score so I can be in on this thread.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6459212

Just been through the process picking parts for new Skylake build (although I didn't build it myself) so can try to offer some advice\assistance for anyone else doing the same.

Things I learned.

It's great to be back into PC gaming
You WILL start to obsess over the minutia of parts and performance.
I also forgot what a ballache a PC can be, despite the machine being built for me, I still had to faff around with drivers and setting up certain things how I like for several hours which is a far cry from the pick up and play of a console. Still if you are a tinkerer this may actually be fun for you and seeing a game run buttery smooth at high-res makes it all worth it. smile

dai1983

2,453 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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I know what you mean and would consider Windows 10. I only initaially want to play HL2 and a few other games on steam and I hate how Windows tends to get slower due to service packs etc. Plus Linux is free and ive been wanting to try it for a while. What's the most cost effective way of obtaining a genuine Windows 10 license? All my computers at home are XP and I can create a bootable usb from a download.

Max budget is £500 full price at Amazon but I liked the idea of an i3 to bring it nearer £400. I was considering a locked i5 6600 last week!

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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I think I must be the only person on here so far running an AMD based setup!

FX-8350 8-core cpu at 4.0 ghz

8gb corsair RAM

AMD R9 290 gpu (Sapphire Tri-x one with the huge triple fans built-in).

I went down the AMD route purely because all my gaming rigs for the last 5-6 years have been AMD based and I've just got familiar with what's what when it comes to upgrades.

I've had it in it's current spec almost a year now and I've been over the moon with the performance.

The R9 290 card, or specifically the Sapphire Tri-x version, has been an absolute revelation. I got it cheap second-hand and it's handled everything I've thrown at it giving me 60-100 fps in most games on high settings at 1080p. In real world performance it's only a fraction off the pace of my mate's MSI 290x, and runs on average 25 degrees cooler.

This is also the first time I've had an SSD to run Windows (8) on, and I couldn't go back now- I love the fact the system boots to desktop in seconds. biggrin

Cost me a shade over £550 for cpu, gpu, motherboard, RAM, 250gb SSD, 2tb HD, (I already had case, power supply, monitor etc), and I sold off my previous AMD X2 cpu and 6970 card for £150 so it really was a pretty budget (re)build in the end.

Only thing I am changing in near future is my monitor, as I'm still running off an 8 year old Dell 24inch widescreen. I'm currently leaning towards the ASUS MG279Q 27" IPS monitor with Freesync. Should be quite an upgrade!

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Personally if you can, I'd wait a bit if you want Skylake, they've just been released so will carry a premium for the early adopters. I think prices may drop in the new year.

Also for £500 I'd probably be looking at a pre-built system from someone like Dell. There economies of scale mean they often do crazy offers on pre-builds and I don't think you can get close to the VFM, their margins must so low at the prices they some of those for.

Zod

35,295 posts

225 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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After years of watercooling, I finally had a leak recently that took out my Rampage IV Extreme.

I was running an i7 3820k, 16GB of DDR3 and a 980 GTX on it. Fortunately, the GPU survived, but the processor and RAM won't work on newer motherboards, so I have moved on to a Rampage V Extreme with i7 5820k, 16 GB of DDR4 and my still good 980 GTX. My old boot drive, a RevoDrive 3 X2 appears to have been taken out by the leak as it is only showing half of its 240GB capacity and I cannot get it to work as a boot drive, so I now have a 512GB Samsung M2 NVMe drive. That drive is easily the biggest improvement.

Why am I watercooling? Because I've done it for years in the same case and removing it would be a pain, but mainly for the sake of it!

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Wow that sucks, I considered watercooling for about 5 seconds and discounted it for exactly that reason. Somehow water and electrical components just don't sit comfortably for me.

Squirrel, I recently picked up the G-sync version of that Asus monitor and it is a thing of beauty. Would recommend it highly. The only issue you may have is the panels do suffer from a bit of glow around the edges of the screen but it's not enough to bother me tbh and I can't see it at all when I am gaming.

Zod

35,295 posts

225 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Guvernator said:
Wow that sucks, I considered watercooling for about 5 seconds and discounted it for exactly that reason. Somehow water and electrical components just don't sit comfortably for me.

Squirrel, I recently picked up the G-sync version of that Asus monitor and it is a thing of beauty. Would recommend it highly. The only issue you may have is the panels do suffer from a bit of glow around the edges of the screen but it's not enough to bother me tbh and I can't see it at all when I am gaming.
I've been doing it for years without incident. I just got complacent, left it unchecked for too long and a couple of bits of piping had hardened, leaving them ready to leak when knocked. I didn't notice and the PC just shut down while I was playing Skyrim, never to start again.

I haven't bothered with any G-sync or free-sync monitors. I have the Dell U3415W, which isn't the fastest screen, but is a wondrous thing on which to play games.

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Guvernator said:
Squirrel, I recently picked up the G-sync version of that Asus monitor and it is a thing of beauty. Would recommend it highly.
I saw your picture in the other thread and did wonder if that's what you'd gone for, that's good to know thanks! thumbup

Guvernator said:
The only issue you may have is the panels do suffer from a bit of glow around the edges of the screen but it's not enough to bother me tbh and I can't see it at all when I am gaming.
Coming from an 8 year old Dell monitor that was never built as a gaming monitor in the first place, I am working on the basis that it should be such a quantum leap forwards that I'll barely even register anything like that.

Funnily enough my mate has a 27" Dell Ultrasharp IPS monitor and even that is like looking at the gaming world through brand new eyes hehe I did consider one myself but it's only 60hz refresh rate and I want Freesync, hence going for the Asus.

Squirrelofwoe

2,993 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Zod said:
've been doing it for years without incident. I just got complacent, left it unchecked for too long and a couple of bits of piping had hardened, leaving them ready to leak when knocked. I didn't notice and the PC just shut down while I was playing Skyrim, never to start again.
Ouch yikes

I've always avoided water-cooling for the same reasons, I know it's a fantastic thing but I just don't think I'd be able to sleep at night.

Zod

35,295 posts

225 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Squirrelofwoe said:
Zod said:
've been doing it for years without incident. I just got complacent, left it unchecked for too long and a couple of bits of piping had hardened, leaving them ready to leak when knocked. I didn't notice and the PC just shut down while I was playing Skyrim, never to start again.
Ouch yikes

I've always avoided water-cooling for the same reasons, I know it's a fantastic thing but I just don't think I'd be able to sleep at night.
It ran for three years almost 24/7. You are supposed to check and service. I got complacent.

toxicnerve

Original Poster:

24,453 posts

144 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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Zod,

Would deionied water have helped?

Zod said:
...so I now have a 512GB Samsung M2 NVMe drive. That drive is easily the biggest improvement.
!
Where did you buy that? Do they do a 1TB version?

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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My thoughts the Asus screen

It's 1440p which is the current sweet spot I think, an improvement on 1080p without going OTT Thought about a 4K monitor but on didn't see the point as it makes most stuff too small on a 27" screen and you'd need a twin 980ti setup to run games on it properly.
The high refresh rate is superb and make stuff look silky smooth.
The colours are great, really pop out.
G-sync=No tearing or weirdness with artefacts etc when in motion. Again makes things look silky smooth.

Cons
It's expensive! A lot of outlay for a monitor but I figure it will keep me going for at least a few years.
Glow around the edges. This can be down to IPS glow which is a just a drawback of that panel technology (they all do that sir) or it can be light bleed due to bad quality control. It's very little on mine so I think it's just the former which doesn't bother me but I have seen examples of the latter on the net which look horrible so it seems to be a bit of lottery. If you get one, make sure the place you get it from has a decent returns policy in case you end up with a "bad one".

toxicnerve

Original Poster:

24,453 posts

144 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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How much was the monitor?

Guvernator

11,672 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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toxicnerve said:
How much was the monitor?
£750, was originally only supposed to spend £500 on it boxedin