Discussion
stuno1 said:
Why has kinnect been dropped? Love using ours. Also, is the console just faster processor and better graphics? Are there any reasons to buy one over the one? Struggling to see the value at the moment.
Kinect was expensive and for the most part unloved. I liked being able to turn the One on and off with my voice, but since I changed to the One S I really haven't missed the Kinect at all. Remember, One X isn't supposed to be the volume seller in the One family, that is always going to be the One S. The One X is for those of us who have already bought a 4K TV, and are looking to embrace 4K media going forward. Don't forget, both One S and One X are UHD 4K Blu Ray players as well. The original One is not, and neither is any PlayStation model, even the Pro, bizarrely.
stuno1 said:
I have a 4K tv and still can't justify the upgrade just for slightly better effects.if it was a more wholesale upgrade and games were not backward compatible I'd jump.
Well, you can’t ever justify it really,But you’ve got a 4K tv and your games don’t look as good as they will with an Xbox one x.
It’s a new console, it might have a cool light on the front or something.
stuno1 said:
I have a 4K tv and still can't justify the upgrade just for slightly better effects.if it was a more wholesale upgrade and games were not backward compatible I'd jump.
You see "slightly better effects", I see a huge four or even five-fold increase in resolution compared to base Xbox One games, as well as more stable performance. For some that won't be worth paying the extra for, but those people likely aren't One X's target audience.Loyly said:
I saw a comment on the Xbox Facebook page of someone moaning about paying £400 to play the same games as a normal Xbox One. I was going to comment 'tramps need not apply' but I was beaten to it.
Its about vfm which is different for everyone but for me buying for better graphics only is not incentive enough. 360 to one was a no brainier. Anyway. Thanks for the help folks. Microsoft were always going to have a marketing challenge on their hands with the Xbox One X, and I personally feel for them.
The Xbox One X has 6.3 terraflops of processing power, which when compared to the Xbox One S, which has 1.4 terraflops, is staggering.
Just let that sink in:-
Xbox One X - 6.3 terraflops
Xbox One S - 1.4 terraflops
Xbox One - 1.3 terraflops
It's a very powerful machine, which is more than 'mildly enhanced' over the original.
This is not something you can easily market, and instantly you have the uninformed questioning whether it's worth it. The answer is - £ for £ it's incredibly powerful and the possibilities it unlocks for developers is huge. The step gap between the the Xbox One and Xbox One S was marginal. The step gap between the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X is huge.
The Xbox One X has 6.3 terraflops of processing power, which when compared to the Xbox One S, which has 1.4 terraflops, is staggering.
Just let that sink in:-
Xbox One X - 6.3 terraflops
Xbox One S - 1.4 terraflops
Xbox One - 1.3 terraflops
It's a very powerful machine, which is more than 'mildly enhanced' over the original.
This is not something you can easily market, and instantly you have the uninformed questioning whether it's worth it. The answer is - £ for £ it's incredibly powerful and the possibilities it unlocks for developers is huge. The step gap between the the Xbox One and Xbox One S was marginal. The step gap between the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X is huge.
Edited by garylythgoe on Tuesday 3rd October 09:51
garylythgoe said:
Microsoft were always going to have a marketing challenge on their hands with the Xbox One X, and I personally feel for them.
The Xbox One X has 6.3 terraflops of processing power, which when compared to the Xbox One S, which has 1.4 terraflops, is staggering.
Just let that sink in:-
Xbox One X - 6.3 terraflops
Xbox One S - 1.4 terraflops
Xbox One - 1.3 terraflops
It's a very powerful machine, which is more than 'mildly enhanced' over the original.
This is not something you can easily market, and instantly you have the uninformed questioning whether it's worth it. The answer is - £ for £ it's incredibly powerful and the possibilities it unlocks for developers is huge. The step gap between the the Xbox One and Xbox One S was marginal. The step gap between the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X is huge.
Those stats look amazing, the new thing is SIX times better than the old one.The Xbox One X has 6.3 terraflops of processing power, which when compared to the Xbox One S, which has 1.4 terraflops, is staggering.
Just let that sink in:-
Xbox One X - 6.3 terraflops
Xbox One S - 1.4 terraflops
Xbox One - 1.3 terraflops
It's a very powerful machine, which is more than 'mildly enhanced' over the original.
This is not something you can easily market, and instantly you have the uninformed questioning whether it's worth it. The answer is - £ for £ it's incredibly powerful and the possibilities it unlocks for developers is huge. The step gap between the the Xbox One and Xbox One S was marginal. The step gap between the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X is huge.
Edited by garylythgoe on Tuesday 3rd October 09:51
But if the end result is the same games for both consoles but they look slightly better on the one x then all the rest is just numbers.
You have to be able to see that a game is either not available on the old console or demonstrably much better on the new console. Microsoft haven’t yet done either of these things.
If you unplug your Xboxone from your telly and plug in your new onex and put the same games on are you going to go wow? I hope so.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd October 10:24
The key being what it could unlock. When the proposition of what it has unlocked is clearer it will be easier to market and sell. As it stands it's a more lowers console that allows a gamer the same fundamental functions as the previous generations.
I don't dispute its power credentials but that's not enough for a lot of people.
I don't dispute its power credentials but that's not enough for a lot of people.
stuno1 said:
The key being what it could unlock. When the proposition of what it has unlocked is clearer it will be easier to market and sell. As it stands it's a more lowers console that allows a gamer the same fundamental functions as the previous generations.
I don't dispute its power credentials but that's not enough for a lot of people.
Quite.I don't dispute its power credentials but that's not enough for a lot of people.
You have to be able to see this 6 x teraflops awesomeness in the shop or on YouTube, saying it’s got loads more teraflops but the same games as the old console isn’t really the big selling point old consoles had.
As other posters have explained to me though. This is all about blurring the lines between consoles and PCs and how we buy and play games. Well just buy the same games but they’ll look (and possibly) play slightly differently on whatever platform we’re on. It’s a whole new way of doing things on consoles but pc users have been doing this from the beginning.
stuno1 said:
Its about vfm which is different for everyone but for me buying for better graphics only is not incentive enough. 360 to one was a no brainier. Anyway. Thanks for the help folks.
There are games coming out now which stretch the Xbox One and for the first time in years, I've played a recently-released AAA title that suffers from big frame rate drops when there is a lot happening in the game environment. It's probably not a big surprise, given that many developers are likely making games optimised for the Xbox One X. I think people who try to live in the last generation will find themselves increasingly left behind, even if their games are "compatible", as games are increasingly developed with the X in mind.I see the XBox One X like buying a new graphics card for my PC to play games at a faster FPS and higher graphics level.
Even at the current price for the XBox One X they are chucking in a CPU, Memory, HD and UHD Blu Ray Player as well as software to make the most of it all. I think it is a snip of price especially when UHD Blu Ray players are still quite expensive and to get true 4K gaming out of a PC you would have to spend some serious cash on a GPU to make it possible.
Even at the current price for the XBox One X they are chucking in a CPU, Memory, HD and UHD Blu Ray Player as well as software to make the most of it all. I think it is a snip of price especially when UHD Blu Ray players are still quite expensive and to get true 4K gaming out of a PC you would have to spend some serious cash on a GPU to make it possible.
PS4 Pro has 4TFLOPS, and can't do 2160/60 native. It usually does 2160/30 checkerboard. An XBX has 6TFLOPS, and can do 2160/60 native with FM7.
That looks great on paper, but then you remember that the FM games are pretty much the only games that even do 1080/60 on the regular Xbone: Everything else is usually 900/60 tops, and often 900/30. As much as I'd like to, I can't see the XBX coming with games consistently at 2160/60 from third parties which means you'll either get native 2160/30 or a checkerboard 2160/60. I'm guessing that the former will be the default resolution and FPS, which for me simply isn't good enough. I've been a consistent Xbox buyer since the 360, but lately I've realised more and more that it's FPS that makes a game prettier and more playable, not pixel count.
I really want to want the XBX, but it's just not powerful enough to really push things along. I'm not hating on MS for choosing that route, as to do it properly would've meant the console would be that much more expensive and even fewer people would buy it. It's just not for me, and certainly not the leap they're telling us it will be.
That looks great on paper, but then you remember that the FM games are pretty much the only games that even do 1080/60 on the regular Xbone: Everything else is usually 900/60 tops, and often 900/30. As much as I'd like to, I can't see the XBX coming with games consistently at 2160/60 from third parties which means you'll either get native 2160/30 or a checkerboard 2160/60. I'm guessing that the former will be the default resolution and FPS, which for me simply isn't good enough. I've been a consistent Xbox buyer since the 360, but lately I've realised more and more that it's FPS that makes a game prettier and more playable, not pixel count.
I really want to want the XBX, but it's just not powerful enough to really push things along. I'm not hating on MS for choosing that route, as to do it properly would've meant the console would be that much more expensive and even fewer people would buy it. It's just not for me, and certainly not the leap they're telling us it will be.
I think the power thing is a bit of a misnomer. It will fuel endless framerate debates (well, not debates as Xbox X will be comprehensively faster than PS4 Pro in games that utilise it, and I own the latter), but that's missing the point really.
Microsoft need to start really cranking up the first party games, it's ridiculous that they're bringing out a new console like this and basically saying "Gears 38 and Forza 210 will look amazing!". You could have the fastest car in the world but if you don't have any decent roads to drive it on - what's the point?
I've never been short of amazing games to play on the PS4, there always seems to be something epic and new on the horizon.
Microsoft need to start really cranking up the first party games, it's ridiculous that they're bringing out a new console like this and basically saying "Gears 38 and Forza 210 will look amazing!". You could have the fastest car in the world but if you don't have any decent roads to drive it on - what's the point?
I've never been short of amazing games to play on the PS4, there always seems to be something epic and new on the horizon.
Well I've pulled out .... I know i'll hate myself later ..... Sticking with Xbox one. I can still have upgraded visuals on my destop if I really want although now days I really cant be arsed with the pc for gaming....
With my failing eyesight i'll just move a bit further away from the TV to get the 4k effect
Not saying I'll never buy one so i'll keep an eye on how it goes.....
With my failing eyesight i'll just move a bit further away from the TV to get the 4k effect
Not saying I'll never buy one so i'll keep an eye on how it goes.....
Gassing Station | Video Games | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff