Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 !

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 !

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Narcisus

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4,676 posts

228 months

Saturday 26th October
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ash73 said:
Too much emphasis on how it looks, not enough on how it flies.
Thanks for the info that’s a shame. How much time have you had flying it ?

El stovey

29,136 posts

211 months

Saturday 26th October
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Narcisus said:
ash73 said:
Too much emphasis on how it looks, not enough on how it flies.
Thanks for the info that’s a shame. How much time have you had flying it ?
hehe

FourWheelDrift

78,663 posts

232 months

Monday 18th November
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kowalski655

9,100 posts

91 months

Monday 18th November
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"See how amazing it is to fly over the beauty that is Naples, or Barcelona, or Zurich, or err..Southampton smile

FourWheelDrift

78,663 posts

232 months

Monday 18th November
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kowalski655 said:
"See how amazing it is to fly over the beauty that is Naples, or Barcelona, or Zurich, or err..Southampton smile
Notice it was a dull day over Southampton biggrin

LimaDelta

4,126 posts

166 months

Tuesday 19th November
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My big concern for this is the bandwidth I expect will be required to see the decent scenery. Not sure if my 10Mb-on-a-good-day rural broadband will cope.

Happy to be proven wrong of course.

AmosMoses

3,522 posts

113 months

Tuesday 19th November
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LimaDelta said:
My big concern for this is the bandwidth I expect will be required to see the decent scenery. Not sure if my 10Mb-on-a-good-day rural broadband will cope.

Happy to be proven wrong of course.
This is my concern to, i'm really excited about the game i just hope i can play it!

El stovey

29,136 posts

211 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Are the base buildings all 3D and load like on google earth? Plus it’s doing dynamic weather?

Google earth has a great little basic flight sim on the desktop version but it suffers massively from pop up especially if you’re doing more than 50kts even with a fast 60-70meg broadband connection.


Donbot

1,072 posts

75 months

Tuesday 19th November
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I heard it is using Google maps for terrain and building shapes and using procedurally generated models to add details. Iconic buildings etc modelled in. So it shouldn't need really high speed internet.

chow pan toon

11,659 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th November
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FourWheelDrift said:
kowalski655 said:
"See how amazing it is to fly over the beauty that is Naples, or Barcelona, or Zurich, or err..Southampton smile
Notice it was a dull day over Southampton biggrin
Joking aside, it looked realistic enough that I recognised it as Southampton straight away and I've never even been to Southampton on the ground.

FourWheelDrift

78,663 posts

232 months

Tuesday 19th November
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This is what impresses me, the classic Barcelona block, it would have been so easy to copy and past just a few versions but every one is different not just the textures but the shapes (roof top levels).



Which makes me think the accuracy of others will also be very good, no generic buildings. I wonder how they will deal with towns and villages, will you be able to see your own house properly?

red_slr

9,573 posts

137 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Google have spent millions laser scanning the major cities in the world. In fact not just cities but a lot of towns too.
They seem to increase the resolution every few years.

For example at my house I can see a blob on my kitchen window ledge that is a small spray bottle with some water in it. It can only be 20cm tall. 3 years ago cars were just blobs.

Then of course they have a "satellite" photo of every building too which means they can easily overlay on the mesh - its getting pretty incredible the level of detail now. Trees are the only thing they are struggling with due to the fuzzy nature of them but buildings are a doddle.


CrutyRammers

9,585 posts

146 months

Tuesday 19th November
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This'll be using BING maps of course, not Google, because Microsoft. Low level imagery is done by aircraft rather than satellite, it switches over at certain zoom levels.

AIUI, it is procedurally creating buildings in the right place, but they won't necesarilly look exactly right. Xplane 11 does something similar, there's a house where my house is, but it is procedurally created, not an image of my house. Here, that stuff will all be done in the cloud and streamed down. Presumably that'll let them reuse a load of static stuff and apply lighting/weather effects dynamically.

FourWheelDrift

78,663 posts

232 months

Tuesday 19th November
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CrutyRammers said:
This'll be using BING maps of course, not Google, because Microsoft. Low level imagery is done by aircraft rather than satellite, it switches over at certain zoom levels.

AIUI, it is procedurally creating buildings in the right place, but they won't necesarilly look exactly right. Xplane 11 does something similar, there's a house where my house is, but it is procedurally created, not an image of my house. Here, that stuff will all be done in the cloud and streamed down. Presumably that'll let them reuse a load of static stuff and apply lighting/weather effects dynamically.
Yep.

"Assets will not only include all of our planet’s 197 million square miles of land and water, but more than 2 million cities and over 40,000 individual airports. To achieve this, developers at Asobo Studio are tapping directly into Microsoft’s Bing Maps dataset. Flight Simulator will draw from two of the service’s three available petabytes of geographical information. That includes satellite imagery and 3D photogrammetry data, with some resolutions down to just three centimeters."

https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/30/20885197/microso...

chow pan toon

11,659 posts

185 months

Tuesday 19th November
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FourWheelDrift said:
This is what impresses me, the classic Barcelona block, it would have been so easy to copy and past just a few versions but every one is different not just the textures but the shapes (roof top levels).



Which makes me think the accuracy of others will also be very good, no generic buildings. I wonder how they will deal with towns and villages, will you be able to see your own house properly?


The detail looks spot on on the approach to Southampton (10:24 into the Cities video to see a better view). The houses have the correct styles, different roads have different looking houses and things like trampolines and messy gardens are very clear.



ETA Ground level view of 3 houses just down from where the bright red car is parked.

Edited by chow pan toon on Tuesday 19th November 14:34

El stovey

29,136 posts

211 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Nice work!

George Smiley

3,288 posts

29 months

Tuesday 19th November
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CrutyRammers said:
This'll be using BING maps of course, not Google, because Microsoft. Low level imagery is done by aircraft rather than satellite, it switches over at certain zoom levels.

AIUI, it is procedurally creating buildings in the right place, but they won't necesarilly look exactly right. Xplane 11 does something similar, there's a house where my house is, but it is procedurally created, not an image of my house. Here, that stuff will all be done in the cloud and streamed down. Presumably that'll let them reuse a load of static stuff and apply lighting/weather effects dynamically.
No! Because its not Google!

bloomen

3,000 posts

107 months

Tuesday 19th November
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LimaDelta said:
My big concern for this is the bandwidth I expect will be required to see the decent scenery. Not sure if my 10Mb-on-a-good-day rural broadband will cope.

Happy to be proven wrong of course.
Odd that all of the Youtube comments are about computer specs but not internet specs. I'll be downloading my local patch if it is super demanding so I can fly a 747 a few above my local Lidl.

If this gets VR for sure I'll probably never leave it.

Mind being to think it's come to this when I remember gasping in astonishment flying my 'Apache' between a few green lines that were supposed to be a mountain range on my dad's Amstrad.

LimaDelta

4,126 posts

166 months

Wednesday 20th November
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bloomen said:
If this gets VR for sure I'll probably never leave it.
That's the other thing. I don't understand why this is not VR from the outset. I have recently made the jump to VR for XP11 and DCS and there is no way I can imagine going back to a small screen now. It just ruins the whole immersion aspect. Everything just feels that much more 'real' with VR.

SturdyHSV

6,724 posts

115 months

Wednesday 20th November
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LimaDelta said:
bloomen said:
If this gets VR for sure I'll probably never leave it.
That's the other thing. I don't understand why this is not VR from the outset. I have recently made the jump to VR for XP11 and DCS and there is no way I can imagine going back to a small screen now. It just ruins the whole immersion aspect. Everything just feels that much more 'real' with VR.
I'm more of a driving sim man myself, although used to enjoy A10 Cuba and F16 Fighting Falcon back when I was much younger, and totally agree. Any game purporting to be a 'sim' really should target VR support as a must-have.

Sim games typically have a high cost of entry when you start looking at peripherals etc. and it's not like they're targeted at the casual gamer.

The difference between a flat screen, or frankly even if there were 9 flat screens in a big dome, compared to VR is night and day in terms of immersion. Quite simply as far as your silly brain is concerned, you ARE there.

A friend hadn't tried VR so wanted to have a go on a flat screen first, I had a quick lap after him out of curiosity (as I've not used it since having VR) and for want of a better phrase, it felt like a toy, like I was playing a game and made being sat in a racing seat with wheel and pedals looking at a TV feel a bit ridiculous.

Put VR on again and you're in a car, other cars are car sized, I never used to race with AI, much preferred driving / lapping by myself, but since having VR I always drive with AI cars on, just because it's so fun having actual real cars around you, I really can't articulate just how much better it is.

If you get your kicks out of flying a plane, I can only imagine how much better that will be if you are actually sat in the bloody cockpit and can stand up and look down over the nose at the approaching Lidl / neighbour's house etc. hehe