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Rick101 said:
G27 pedals with TSS hydraulic brake upgrade
SSH shifter
4 x Chassis buttkickers
Rick, SSH shifter
4 x Chassis buttkickers
Edited by Rick101 on Wednesday 13th May 16:33
What is the hydraulic mod on the pedals. I have some Tm t3pas but I've never got on with the brakes. With the conical mod you lose brake modulation as it's almost on or off. Without it, it's difficult to heel and toe in H pattern cars because the travel is so long!
I have an ssh shifter and I really like it although I've not tried others.
What are the chassis buttkickers?
I'm old fashioned and still use a 20+ yr old Microsoft sidewinder Ffb wheel. I like it and it's lasted so well I don't want to throw it out!
Over the weekend I decided to do something about my old sim setup. I originally had an early playseat rig but the wheel mount was bouncy and the pedal plate was too small for my T3PA pedals. I bodged it with braces to try and make it more sturdy and I used an old ikea table for the tv stand.
It was pretty basic but with time on my hands and an over abundance of confidence in my DIY skills I decided to build something myself as I couldn’t find anything available to buy at anything approaching sensible prices.
The outcome was an all in one unit where the tv has space to sit. And the speakers are neatly wired in. The wheel and pedals are rock steady and the seat was borrowed from my old playseat rig.
Some schoolboy errors in measurement account for the seat sitting on two lumps of timber. The fit and finish looks better in the dark. The base is made from some odd bits of wood I got for free. It weighs several tonnes. I spent about £140 on materials and I have sworn to never attempt diy again.
Despite the slightly disappointing realisation that watching YouTube videos doesn’t transform you into a competent craftsman, the experience of driving is significantly improved by the extra rigidity the whole setup has. It is also a bit neater overall than the old rig.
It was pretty basic but with time on my hands and an over abundance of confidence in my DIY skills I decided to build something myself as I couldn’t find anything available to buy at anything approaching sensible prices.
The outcome was an all in one unit where the tv has space to sit. And the speakers are neatly wired in. The wheel and pedals are rock steady and the seat was borrowed from my old playseat rig.
Some schoolboy errors in measurement account for the seat sitting on two lumps of timber. The fit and finish looks better in the dark. The base is made from some odd bits of wood I got for free. It weighs several tonnes. I spent about £140 on materials and I have sworn to never attempt diy again.
Despite the slightly disappointing realisation that watching YouTube videos doesn’t transform you into a competent craftsman, the experience of driving is significantly improved by the extra rigidity the whole setup has. It is also a bit neater overall than the old rig.
Jon_Bmw said:
Rick,
What is the hydraulic mod on the pedals. I have some Tm t3pas but I've never got on with the brakes. With the conical mod you lose brake modulation as it's almost on or off. Without it, it's difficult to heel and toe in H pattern cars because the travel is so long!
Found an old ISR review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9JlXScmhQ
I have an ssh shifter and I really like it although I've not tried others.
What are the chassis buttkickers?
I'm old fashioned and still use a 20+ yr old Microsoft sidewinder Ffb wheel. I like it and it's lasted so well I don't want to throw it out!
Hi,What is the hydraulic mod on the pedals. I have some Tm t3pas but I've never got on with the brakes. With the conical mod you lose brake modulation as it's almost on or off. Without it, it's difficult to heel and toe in H pattern cars because the travel is so long!
Found an old ISR review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9JlXScmhQ
I have an ssh shifter and I really like it although I've not tried others.
What are the chassis buttkickers?
I'm old fashioned and still use a 20+ yr old Microsoft sidewinder Ffb wheel. I like it and it's lasted so well I don't want to throw it out!
A guy called Called Carlos sold me them through iRacing. He sold some stuff as Total Spanish simulators or something like that. Really fantastic bit of kit and I paid more for the mod than I did my whole wheel and pedals tbh! Maybe £120 something like that. Proper hydraulic cylinder, braided hose and a rock solid pedal working of pressure. Prob only has about 5mm of movement bit that is adjustable. Was a few years ago so not sure if still available.
Bought the buttkickers 2nd hand last year for around £3/400. Again, fantastic and wouldn't be without them now. Even just starting the car in the pits and feeling the starter motor whirring and than the engine spluttering to life, it really is amazing.
Bit more complex for that, thankfully the seller helped me set up. Need Sim commander software. A 2nd soundcard fitted. An 4 channel amp, or 2+2 in my case then the 4 transducers, one for each corner.
Various ways of setting up but chassis mode, one on each corner is the recommended. You could add more to gearshift, pedals, seat base etc.
Edited by Rick101 on Wednesday 13th May 20:35
Jon_Bmw said:
Rick,
What is the hydraulic mod on the pedals. I have some Tm t3pas but I've never got on with the brakes. With the conical mod you lose brake modulation as it's almost on or off. Without it, it's difficult to heel and toe in H pattern cars because the travel is so long!
What are the chassis buttkickers?
On my T3PA pedals, I've just put a little vertical extension in the back brace for the conical stopper so now it contacts the pedal higher. I get more pedal travel before hitting the stop. Have you tried screwing it back away from the pedal back face?What is the hydraulic mod on the pedals. I have some Tm t3pas but I've never got on with the brakes. With the conical mod you lose brake modulation as it's almost on or off. Without it, it's difficult to heel and toe in H pattern cars because the travel is so long!
What are the chassis buttkickers?
Buttkickers are tactile transducers. Like mini subwoofers but minus the speaker cone so instead of producing sound they just produce low frequency vibration. So over jumps or kerbs etc they give a little shake to your rig.
I've only got 1 but it fires directly into the seat back so its very direct and effective
Thanks for the answers guys. I'm going to have to wait a bit longer before spending/playing too much more assetto corsa. The wife stormed in the other night after having to rock the baby back to sleep again after some lock stop mx5 racing with a friend. Every gear smashed in for that extra millisecond down the straight. Whoops!
Ref the conical mod, yes it is screwed in as far as possible to give as much travel as possible. The issue for me is that you have the first say 40% of braking with no resistance occurring over 5mm of pedal travel. The remaining 60% of braking travel has high resistance as it's difficult to squish the rubber and that occurs over 2mm (figures estimated). So I'm finding I am either not braking hard enough or I am locking wheels as I cannot modulate between 60-100% braking force effectively enough. I realise it's an afterthought on a relatively inexpensive set of pedals.
On a sequential car I will go faster without the conical mod, as it rev matches for you, and you benefit from complete travel length for better modulation. I need a load cell I think, it's just justifying it to myself!
Ref the conical mod, yes it is screwed in as far as possible to give as much travel as possible. The issue for me is that you have the first say 40% of braking with no resistance occurring over 5mm of pedal travel. The remaining 60% of braking travel has high resistance as it's difficult to squish the rubber and that occurs over 2mm (figures estimated). So I'm finding I am either not braking hard enough or I am locking wheels as I cannot modulate between 60-100% braking force effectively enough. I realise it's an afterthought on a relatively inexpensive set of pedals.
On a sequential car I will go faster without the conical mod, as it rev matches for you, and you benefit from complete travel length for better modulation. I need a load cell I think, it's just justifying it to myself!
The other option is just to replace the spring with a stiffer item and remove the conical mod. I will get the load cell pedals at some point, but just can't justify the price at the moment as i don't mind the current setup I've got.
In other news, I've now got my sequential shifter done now
In other news, I've now got my sequential shifter done now
Edited by skinny on Friday 15th May 09:36
Here's mine that I man maths'd to myself last year, I designed it myself but it ended up looking exactly like a Simlabs offering. Ordered from Motedis and I think it was about €300. Bear in mind I already had the seat and sidemounts from our track car.
Design
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Reality
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Ref loadcell brakes, I found in circuit racing I can be way more consistent in braking, and although I'm still not very good at braking, at least I'm consistently not very good
it has helped though, I found with the G27 pedals I would brake until locking (as it was the only real feedback) and then feather back, LC allows you to get a feel for where you're going to lock and go straight there (or below) more accurately I feel.
LC in Dirt rally just makes it slightly easier to balance the car more delicately, have been in an R2 club championship and it's helping in getting the back moving with left foot braking.
Otherwise running a Fanatec setup with clubsport base and M3 wheel, CSL loadcell pedals and VR. Recently bought a monitor arm so I can swing the monitor in for non VR stuff but not ended up using it much. Using the G27 shifter as a handbrake/button box currently but I do want a fanatec handbrake for rallying. PC is an I9-9900k and 1080Ti both watercooled, 32GB ram, enough lights to guide down a boeing etc.etc.
Design
Untitled by James Waller, on FlickrReality
Untitled by James Waller, on FlickrUntitled by James Waller, on FlickrRef loadcell brakes, I found in circuit racing I can be way more consistent in braking, and although I'm still not very good at braking, at least I'm consistently not very good
it has helped though, I found with the G27 pedals I would brake until locking (as it was the only real feedback) and then feather back, LC allows you to get a feel for where you're going to lock and go straight there (or below) more accurately I feel.LC in Dirt rally just makes it slightly easier to balance the car more delicately, have been in an R2 club championship and it's helping in getting the back moving with left foot braking.
Otherwise running a Fanatec setup with clubsport base and M3 wheel, CSL loadcell pedals and VR. Recently bought a monitor arm so I can swing the monitor in for non VR stuff but not ended up using it much. Using the G27 shifter as a handbrake/button box currently but I do want a fanatec handbrake for rallying. PC is an I9-9900k and 1080Ti both watercooled, 32GB ram, enough lights to guide down a boeing etc.etc.
BobSaunders said:
Not mine; but Mark Armstrong gaming. Truck driving sim. He's had some bad luck health wise and is unable to work or hold a license/licence, so basically plays truck video games all day as his passion is for trucks.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChjKSLX7WQRGvCUDQ...
This is my new favourite YouTube channel!!!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChjKSLX7WQRGvCUDQ...
Mr.Jimbo said:
Here's mine that I man maths'd to myself last year, I designed it myself but it ended up looking exactly like a Simlabs offering. Ordered from Motedis and I think it was about €300. Bear in mind I already had the seat and sidemounts from our track car.
Design
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Reality
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Untitled by James Waller, on Flickr
Ref loadcell brakes, I found in circuit racing I can be way more consistent in braking, and although I'm still not very good at braking, at least I'm consistently not very good it has helped though, I found with the G27 pedals I would brake until locking (as it was the only real feedback) and then feather back, LC allows you to get a feel for where you're going to lock and go straight there (or below) more accurately I feel.
LC in Dirt rally just makes it slightly easier to balance the car more delicately, have been in an R2 club championship and it's helping in getting the back moving with left foot braking.
Otherwise running a Fanatec setup with clubsport base and M3 wheel, CSL loadcell pedals and VR. Recently bought a monitor arm so I can swing the monitor in for non VR stuff but not ended up using it much. Using the G27 shifter as a handbrake/button box currently but I do want a fanatec handbrake for rallying. PC is an I9-9900k and 1080Ti both watercooled, 32GB ram, enough lights to guide down a boeing etc.etc.
Hi Mr. Jimbo, any chance you could share the build sheet & measurements? I was thinking of doing the same and had found a build on reddit that was itemised, but yours looks much more efficient and a bit more compact.Design
Untitled by James Waller, on FlickrReality
Untitled by James Waller, on FlickrUntitled by James Waller, on FlickrRef loadcell brakes, I found in circuit racing I can be way more consistent in braking, and although I'm still not very good at braking, at least I'm consistently not very good
it has helped though, I found with the G27 pedals I would brake until locking (as it was the only real feedback) and then feather back, LC allows you to get a feel for where you're going to lock and go straight there (or below) more accurately I feel.LC in Dirt rally just makes it slightly easier to balance the car more delicately, have been in an R2 club championship and it's helping in getting the back moving with left foot braking.
Otherwise running a Fanatec setup with clubsport base and M3 wheel, CSL loadcell pedals and VR. Recently bought a monitor arm so I can swing the monitor in for non VR stuff but not ended up using it much. Using the G27 shifter as a handbrake/button box currently but I do want a fanatec handbrake for rallying. PC is an I9-9900k and 1080Ti both watercooled, 32GB ram, enough lights to guide down a boeing etc.etc.
fistenburger said:
Hi Mr. Jimbo, any chance you could share the build sheet & measurements? I was thinking of doing the same and had found a build on reddit that was itemised, but yours looks much more efficient and a bit more compact.
Hi mate, sure I'll PM it over. It's very compact (I think I only just got away with the measurements tbh, and ideally I'd want to be able to raise the seat a bit more relative to the pedals, but it's comfy. I'm 6ft 1ish and it's sized pretty well, would say theres maybe another 4/5 inches in it?GTiWILL said:
Looks great that. I looked at the x-rocker but i was unsure where to mount the gear shifter. I came across a seat that Curry’s sell so went for that one in the end. Annoyingly it won’t arrive until next week! £150. It gets mostly good reviews but if it’s rubbish I’ll send it back.
I bought one of these at the weekend. It seems decent - at least for the price, but for me it was a mistake buying it I think.I've never really got into racing games - with lockdown I decided to give it another try. Still didn't get on with it, but decided to buy this seat so I had a proper setup for the steering wheel / pedals.
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
davek_964 said:
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
Out of interest, what game did you try?(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
I've had a rig set up with centre pole before, the brake pedal normally sits in line with the pole so you'd either have to hook your left or right foot around it a bit.
I prefer left foot braking if not using the clutch but if you only right foot brake, you can maybe shift the pedals an inch or two to the right.
skinny said:
Out of interest, what game did you try?
I've had a rig set up with centre pole before, the brake pedal normally sits in line with the pole so you'd either have to hook your left or right foot around it a bit.
I prefer left foot braking if not using the clutch but if you only right foot brake, you can maybe shift the pedals an inch or two to the right.
I tried Gran Turismo (Sport I think?).I've had a rig set up with centre pole before, the brake pedal normally sits in line with the pole so you'd either have to hook your left or right foot around it a bit.
I prefer left foot braking if not using the clutch but if you only right foot brake, you can maybe shift the pedals an inch or two to the right.
The set I had for my PS3 did have clutch / gear shift, but the PS4 set I have is only brake / accelerator - I guess the brake might be a bit further right if there was a clutch pedal.
I just checked and there don't seem to be any mounting holes that would let me shift the pedals to the right - although it would be a simple case to drill another hole I guess.
davek_964 said:
I bought one of these at the weekend. It seems decent - at least for the price, but for me it was a mistake buying it I think.
I've never really got into racing games - with lockdown I decided to give it another try. Still didn't get on with it, but decided to buy this seat so I had a proper setup for the steering wheel / pedals.
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
I deliberately avoided stands with a center pole for this very reason. Having this always seemed a bit crap to me.I've never really got into racing games - with lockdown I decided to give it another try. Still didn't get on with it, but decided to buy this seat so I had a proper setup for the steering wheel / pedals.
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
That said, mine doesn’t have any obstructions, and in all honesty, I still never bother playing it. I prefer driving sedately on the road in my real car than playing any driving game, it would seem, even though I acknowledge they are good fun, I just never seem to have the time or inclination.
My last ditch with this is probably VR but then I bet that ends up being another gimmick as well once you get past the initial wow factor. We’ll see!
TameRacingDriver said:
davek_964 said:
I bought one of these at the weekend. It seems decent - at least for the price, but for me it was a mistake buying it I think.
I've never really got into racing games - with lockdown I decided to give it another try. Still didn't get on with it, but decided to buy this seat so I had a proper setup for the steering wheel / pedals.
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
I deliberately avoided stands with a center pole for this very reason. Having this always seemed a bit crap to me.I've never really got into racing games - with lockdown I decided to give it another try. Still didn't get on with it, but decided to buy this seat so I had a proper setup for the steering wheel / pedals.
Tried one race with it, but it's really not doing it for me so it was rather a waste of £150 I think. I really should get rid of the seat / steering wheel and pedals and just accept I don't like driving games!
(Oh, and the one complaint I have about it is that the bar down the middle means left foot braking, which is not how I normally drive).
That said, mine doesn’t have any obstructions, and in all honesty, I still never bother playing it. I prefer driving sedately on the road in my real car than playing any driving game, it would seem, even though I acknowledge they are good fun, I just never seem to have the time or inclination.
My last ditch with this is probably VR but then I bet that ends up being another gimmick as well once you get past the initial wow factor. We’ll see!
t on the roads and now towing a caravan - yeah a pain in the bum if you're following me i know but i care not a jot - means i am very happy to sit at 55mph most of the time, so this gives me an outlet for my speed fix and if i do crash and burn, no expensive insurance claims etc.I'd advise giving something like iRacing a try, I was getting a bit bored of sim racing until I got into competition, we've had a dirt 2.0 league running as well which has been super competitive, but I found that even though I'm very rarely at the top of the field, the competitiveness means that you can spend a 30 min race fighting for 10th place and really enjoy it.
Echo the comment about having the central pole on a wheelstand, always put me off mine, but they're pretty good for a setup where you don't have much space, mine was great when I only had the front room and a sofa
Echo the comment about having the central pole on a wheelstand, always put me off mine, but they're pretty good for a setup where you don't have much space, mine was great when I only had the front room and a sofa
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