Anyone else not impressed with the PS5 so far?

Anyone else not impressed with the PS5 so far?

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Lucas Ayde

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3,541 posts

167 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Gotta say, I personally think Sony have dropped the ball on this.

Always seems to happen when one of the big boys gets ahead, they get complacent and mess up like MS did with the disastrous original 'Xbox One' launch announcement, from which they never really recovered IMO.

Sony did some great stuff with the PS3 after they fell behind MS but now that the PS4 has come to dominate this generation, they appear to be assuming that everyone with a PS4 will just migrate to the PS5.

Tech specs aren't anything astounding ... about what you would expect for a new generation of machine based on the x86 architecture coming out almost 8 years after it's predecessor. If anything they are slightly behind Xbox Series X ... just as Xbox One was slightly behind PS4.

But where they've really dropped the ball is backwards compatibility. It's not clear that the machine is inherently PS4 back compatible - despite being based on the same underlying CPU and GPU architecture. All this talk of 'most of the top 100 games will be compatible by launch' just makes me think that work is going to be put into games to make them run and many games may never run.

Given that most of my PS4 library is digital downloads, I have the choice of selling my old hardware and losing access to the games or having to keep another box around to play them. I already kept a PS3 around for older games when I finally got a PS4 Pro - not just to play PS3 titles but also PS2 and PS1, plus not to mention it is a better Blu Ray player than PS4 and also does a really good job of playing Audio CDs. The PS4 won't play any older games and doesn't even support audio CD.

MS on the other hand should pretty much support the entire XBox One library straight off the bat (many with enhancements) and also a good chunk of Xbox360 and Xbox titles even.

I have so much barely played stuff on my PS4 that it'll be a couple of years before I even consider moving generations but if Sony continue their current trajectory, I may well switch back to Xbox (I got back into console gaming with the Original XBox but eventually switched to PS3, though I did eventually pick up a cheap Xbox360 too).

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Xbox Series X (Scarlet) and Xbox series S (Lockheart) are really way ahead of PS5 on data stats.

DanL

6,177 posts

264 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Realistically, once you’ve moved to a new console, how often do you play last gen games? I’ve got a bunch of PS3 games and a console gathering dust since I moved to the PS4, and if/when I upgrade to a PS5 I doubt I’ll play anything I own on the PS4.

That said, I don’t generally go back and replay any game I own, so perhaps I’m not typical...

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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DanL said:
Realistically, once you’ve moved to a new console, how often do you play last gen games? I’ve got a bunch of PS3 games and a console gathering dust since I moved to the PS4, and if/when I upgrade to a PS5 I doubt I’ll play anything I own on the PS4.

That said, I don’t generally go back and replay any game I own, so perhaps I’m not typical...
If you upgrade to the Xbox series x?? Or will you only go Sony?

Lucas Ayde

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167 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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DanL said:
Realistically, once you’ve moved to a new console, how often do you play last gen games? I’ve got a bunch of PS3 games and a console gathering dust since I moved to the PS4, and if/when I upgrade to a PS5 I doubt I’ll play anything I own on the PS4.

That said, I don’t generally go back and replay any game I own, so perhaps I’m not typical...
I have a ton of games still unplayed or nowhere near finished on my PS4. Even in a few years it's likely I'll still want to play some of what I already have in my PS4 collection.

It's not like the next generation of consoles is completely architecturally different to that which has gone before. Since PS4/Xbox One they are more like custom PCs ... the next gen is just more powerful CPU and GPU hardware to what is in the current gen, but inherently based around the same underlying standards. Imagine that a new PC based on the next Intel or AMD chips/graphics cards wouldn't support existing software - hardly anyone would buy it.

Because of the popularity of digital downloads now, selling the older hardware means losing your library of games (and you can't even get value out of reselling them to the new hardware owner) unless you want to keep the old box behind. I kept my old PS3 around simply because I could play so much great PS3, PS2 and PS1 stuff on it - as well as it being much superior for Blu Ray playback to PS4.

Sony are now doing what MS did when we moved from Xbox360/PS3 generation to Xbox One/PS4 ... Taking it for granted that they could drop consumer-friendly features to make more money. Although I have a load of Sony Playstation stuff (OG PS3, PS3 Super Slim, PS Vita, PSTV and PS4 Pro) I'm not going to just go out and get a PS5 if they follow an anti-consumer course like they have been doing.





DanL

6,177 posts

264 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Welshbeef said:
DanL said:
Realistically, once you’ve moved to a new console, how often do you play last gen games? I’ve got a bunch of PS3 games and a console gathering dust since I moved to the PS4, and if/when I upgrade to a PS5 I doubt I’ll play anything I own on the PS4.

That said, I don’t generally go back and replay any game I own, so perhaps I’m not typical...
If you upgrade to the Xbox series x?? Or will you only go Sony?
I don’t own an Xbox, so backward compatibility for that is somewhat moot for me. It would give access to an existing library of previous generation games, but I wouldn’t buy a next gen console with the intention of playing old games, as mentioned...

DanL

6,177 posts

264 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Lucas Ayde said:
Imagine that a new PC based on the next Intel or AMD chips/graphics cards wouldn't support existing software - hardly anyone would buy it.
I think this is a false equivalence, because PCs in the main have a different use case - mostly business oriented, and you need to be able to open old documents. Plenty of old PC software doesn’t run on newer PC operating systems, but because there are newer versions of the programs that can open old versions of documents, etc. it doesn’t matter.

Lucas Ayde said:
Because of the popularity of digital downloads now, selling the older hardware means losing your library of games (and you can't even get value out of reselling them to the new hardware owner) unless you want to keep the old box behind. I kept my old PS3 around simply because I could play so much great PS3, PS2 and PS1 stuff on it - as well as it being much superior for Blu Ray playback to PS4.
As mentioned, I hung on to mine too - I didn’t upgrade to a PS3 because it had backwards compatibility though, and I’m certain I’ve never played a PS1 or PS2 game on it. The majority of my PS4 game collection is digital, and it would be nice if they were available on a PS5, but it won’t be a deal breaker for me if they aren’t.

Lucas Ayde said:
Sony are now doing what MS did when we moved from Xbox360/PS3 generation to Xbox One/PS4 ... Taking it for granted that they could drop consumer-friendly features to make more money. Although I have a load of Sony Playstation stuff (OG PS3, PS3 Super Slim, PS Vita, PSTV and PS4 Pro) I'm not going to just go out and get a PS5 if they follow an anti-consumer course like they have been doing.
I don’t think this will make them more money, but I also don’t feel it’s particularly anti consumer. Certainly not nearly as much as the DRM options that Microsoft announced then quickly dropped with the current Xbox.

I reckon most people are casual gamers like me, and will upgrade if they can afford to do so. They will likely stick with the same brand they already have, unless there are compelling exclusive software titles to push them one way or the other...

I’ve had both PlayStation and Xbox in the past, and moved from Xbox to PlayStation when I got the red ring of death (which dates me!). I started with consoles, moving from PCs, with an original PlayStation. I’m expecting to move to PS5, unless the newer Xbox is either very compelling or has an amazing launch line up of games.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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DanL said:
don’t own an Xbox, so backward compatibility for that is somewhat moot for me. It would give access to an existing library of previous generation games, but I wouldn’t buy a next gen console with the intention of playing old games, as mentioned...
The Xbox series x has a lot more than just backward compatibility to it.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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Um, I understood the PS5 would have backward compatibility?

https://www.techradar.com/news/the-ps5-will-be-bac...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Pretty sure it was confirmed, had a look at this https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-series-x-vs...

I've got a One S and a PS4, will be going down to one console when I upgrade so yet to decide on which

crofty1984

15,830 posts

203 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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DanL said:
Realistically, once you’ve moved to a new console, how often do you play last gen games? I’ve got a bunch of PS3 games and a console gathering dust since I moved to the PS4, and if/when I upgrade to a PS5 I doubt I’ll play anything I own on the PS4.

That said, I don’t generally go back and replay any game I own, so perhaps I’m not typical...
We have a PS2, 3 and 4. PS2 doesn't see much use, but we do play a fair bit of the PS3. Especially if we're in the mood for a couch co-op game. More modern consoles seem more geared towards online play. Which is understandable, but not what we're after.

SturdyHSV

10,083 posts

166 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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For me, the consoles will be close enough in terms of graphical quality that I couldn't care less about the specs, developers will make decent games for them one way or another.

For me PlayStation has a far better selection of exclusives, so I shall continue to be a Sony customer regardless of the specs. I've always felt I've had decent value for money out of a console over its life, so even if the purchase price is a bit of a kick in the balls, I'm not really that fussed.

Radec

3,774 posts

46 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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SturdyHSV said:
For me, the consoles will be close enough in terms of graphical quality that I couldn't care less about the specs, developers will make decent games for them one way or another.

For me PlayStation has a far better selection of exclusives, so I shall continue to be a Sony customer regardless of the specs. I've always felt I've had decent value for money out of a console over its life, so even if the purchase price is a bit of a kick in the balls, I'm not really that fussed.
Exactly Sony has more exclusives and better IP's , doesn't matter if the Xbox has better specs, they will lose the war just like the did last generation and the one before.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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SturdyHSV said:
For me, the consoles will be close enough in terms of graphical quality that I couldn't care less about the specs, developers will make decent games for them one way or another.

For me PlayStation has a far better selection of exclusives, so I shall continue to be a Sony customer regardless of the specs. I've always felt I've had decent value for money out of a console over its life, so even if the purchase price is a bit of a kick in the balls, I'm not really that fussed.
I think the titles will drive me too, I had Xbox for years but got the PS4 to play some of the titles I was missing out on and they were great.

With crossplay working really well on COD I can see my mates all having Xbox as even less of a problem than it is now

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,071 posts

54 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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I wouldn't underestimate the hard-disk on the PS5. The data transfer rates are a quantum leap ahead of everything else. It may fall short of polygon shifting ability when compared to the xbox, but it may not need to process as much as it simply loads in on demand.

I'd be curious to know whether this requires different development strategies or whether it's handled via the dev tools, so parallel dev is easy between the two systems.

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Releases confirmed so far:

Launch titles:
Assassin's Creed Valhalla, Fortnite

Holiday 2020:
Outriders

2021:
Ultimate Fishing Simulator 2, The Lord of the Rings: Gollum

TBA:
Watch Dogs: Legion, Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2, Scarlet Nexus, Quantum Error, Destiny 2, Dirt 5, Godfall


A couple of interesting ones, but nothing that makes me want to spend £600 to play them

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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A Winner Is You said:
Releases confirmed so far:

Launch titles:
Assassin's Creed Valhalla, Fortnite

Holiday 2020:
Outriders

2021:
Ultimate Fishing Simulator 2, The Lord of the Rings: Gollum

TBA:
Watch Dogs: Legion, Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2, Scarlet Nexus, Quantum Error, Destiny 2, Dirt 5, Godfall


A couple of interesting ones, but nothing that makes me want to spend £600 to play them
I will definitely be holding off until GTA 6 is released! PS4 will be fine until then

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Radec said:
Exactly Sony has more exclusives and better IP's , doesn't matter if the Xbox has better specs, they will lose the war just like the did last generation and the one before.
The PS4 won the last generation - but didn’t MS win the PS2/3 era?

That said at the time I had a 360 and a PS3 I guess if your a gamer then you can pick up both if you wish.

anarki

759 posts

135 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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I won't be buying either console on launch to be honest. I have done in the past (Dreamcast, Original Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS4)

I tend to find it takes a while before consoles become saturated with games to play (the ones that appeal to me at least)

The PS4 is a good example of this, very few games I fancied playing in the first 18 months of its launch, so I ended up selling it. I've recently just picked up one due to their being a dozen or so games I really want to play on it. To some this may seem bonkers as there is a new gen round the corner, but for me it means I get a console thats had any bugs ironed out (hardware wise) and a lot of the games are cheap to buy.

My new strategy going forwards is to wait at least a year to see how things are panning out. I did this with the switch, picked one up about a year after launch, as i could see the direction it was heading and the games that were either out for it, or coming out, I really liked the look of.

I'm not a die hard fanboy of any company but the Xbox One really didn't appeal to me as the majority of its games are available on the PC (I have a decent PC). I buy a console for its games and the Playstation, at least in my opinion, has the better exclusive titles that aren't availble to play elsewhere. If that is the case with the next gen, then I'll grab a PS5.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Wasn’t the Xbox original (which I still have in the loft with 50 odd games smile ) the dreamcast2?