PlayStation 5 Thread
Discussion
Yidwann said:
I doubt the retailers give two hoots to be honest, they make their profit margin on the consoles and they're all sold out instantly. I doubt they have any interest in fixing the problem unless it became a condition from Sony
Of course the retailers don't care - easy money for them - zero effort to sell and make their margins. I was talking about Sony, who on the other hand are probably making very little at the moment, if anything!mcdonaa said:
Yidwann said:
I doubt the retailers give two hoots to be honest, they make their profit margin on the consoles and they're all sold out instantly. I doubt they have any interest in fixing the problem unless it became a condition from Sony
Of course the retailers don't care - easy money for them - zero effort to sell and make their margins. I was talking about Sony, who on the other hand are probably making very little at the moment, if anything!
Covid has been huge for engagement and spend ... perhaps not as much in PS5 as would’ve been forecast, but PS4 is through the roof.Jasandjules said:
Except you also have the "hype" which leads to more people wanting them... Publicity etc is no bad thing for them.
That's true....people especially want things they can't have/are exclusive/everyone else seems to want/delete as appropriate.Still...must be a problem for Sony that lower than expected numbers are actually buying ps5 games!
How long before Sony ramp production and meet consumer demand a bit better, leaving scalpers with loads of stock, which is effectively 2nd hand?
They are probably having issues with silicon as car manufacturers are.
high end PC graphics cards are like gold dust too.
I have an app called hotstock that sends me notifications when they come in to stock at shops. Its bloody useless, twice for game last week, amazon yesterday, argos this morning - in each case by the time I get the notification the retailer website is already on its arse because people have gotten there first, then the stock runs out.
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
high end PC graphics cards are like gold dust too.
I have an app called hotstock that sends me notifications when they come in to stock at shops. Its bloody useless, twice for game last week, amazon yesterday, argos this morning - in each case by the time I get the notification the retailer website is already on its arse because people have gotten there first, then the stock runs out.
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
Crafty_ said:
They are probably having issues with silicon as car manufacturers are.
high end PC graphics cards are like gold dust too.
I have an app called hotstock that sends me notifications when they come in to stock at shops. Its bloody useless, twice for game last week, amazon yesterday, argos this morning - in each case by the time I get the notification the retailer website is already on its arse because people have gotten there first, then the stock runs out.
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
Surely it's in Sonys interest to get the consoles in your home, spending money on ps+ buying games on the store and generally filling up the queues on servers, not making any money sat in a scalpers warehouse.high end PC graphics cards are like gold dust too.
I have an app called hotstock that sends me notifications when they come in to stock at shops. Its bloody useless, twice for game last week, amazon yesterday, argos this morning - in each case by the time I get the notification the retailer website is already on its arse because people have gotten there first, then the stock runs out.
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
Yes and it could have knock on effects too - e.g. you buy now for RRP, in a month or two you might well buy a couple of games - which is actually where they make the money. If you feel "forced" to buy from a scalper at +50% you might not buy those games..
The problem is that they leave the retail to the retailers, who have zero interest in doing anything about scalpers.
The problem is how to stop the scalpers - some have suggested you need to supply a PSN name in order to buy.. well okay but you can just create a bunch of new accounts and off you go, so people then start suggesting having some sort of qualifying criteria (e.g. account must be 6 months old and have played 4 games or whatever). So scalpers will just buy previously made or stolen accounts.. All of this prevents anyone new to the platform buying..
I think the only real solution is to have enough manufacturing capacity to satisfy demand, but thats probably an expensive thing to do - e.g. set up a factory for 6-12 months at launch and then close it down as demand subsides, I suspect that at least some of the problem is the supply chain too - AMD make the primary chips, thats certainly an expensive manufacturing process.
The problem is that they leave the retail to the retailers, who have zero interest in doing anything about scalpers.
The problem is how to stop the scalpers - some have suggested you need to supply a PSN name in order to buy.. well okay but you can just create a bunch of new accounts and off you go, so people then start suggesting having some sort of qualifying criteria (e.g. account must be 6 months old and have played 4 games or whatever). So scalpers will just buy previously made or stolen accounts.. All of this prevents anyone new to the platform buying..
I think the only real solution is to have enough manufacturing capacity to satisfy demand, but thats probably an expensive thing to do - e.g. set up a factory for 6-12 months at launch and then close it down as demand subsides, I suspect that at least some of the problem is the supply chain too - AMD make the primary chips, thats certainly an expensive manufacturing process.
Since they've basically adopted PC technology, the PS5 and Xbox Series X are essentially just like buying a newer, higher-spec PC. It just runs all your old games better and can potentially play new games that the older hardware wouldn't have been able to handle, or handle very well.
It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
Lucas Ayde said:
Since they've basically adopted PC technology, the PS5 and Xbox Series X are essentially just like buying a newer, higher-spec PC. It just runs all your old games better and can potentially play new games that the older hardware wouldn't have been able to handle, or handle very well.
It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
That's exactly the case. I managed to bag a launch console by luck but haven't even played a proper PS5 only game as yet. None of the launch titles seemed worth £60 to me. Main benefit I've seen is that its quieter the the PS4 pro. Otherwise It really isn't much to get excited about right now and certainly not worth paying double for from a scalper. It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
paul99 said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Since they've basically adopted PC technology, the PS5 and Xbox Series X are essentially just like buying a newer, higher-spec PC. It just runs all your old games better and can potentially play new games that the older hardware wouldn't have been able to handle, or handle very well.
It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
That's exactly the case. I managed to bag a launch console by luck but haven't even played a proper PS5 only game as yet. None of the launch titles seemed worth £60 to me. Main benefit I've seen is that its quieter the the PS4 pro. Otherwise It really isn't much to get excited about right now and certainly not worth paying double for from a scalper. It's not like the 'old days' when each new generation of console was a radical leap in architecture and power and featured a big leap forward.
People have just got caught up in the hype and are bored being stuck at home. Once they get the shiny new toy they realise that there's nothing about it that makes them want to rush out and buy tons of new games if they weren't doing so already with their old console. I reckon most gamers have a pile of existing games that they haven't played (or at least, come even close to finishing) so unless the new kit offers something mindblowing, they are unlikely to want to start lashing out big bucks (on top of the console price) for new games. On the other hand, they can play that pile of games that they already have with faster loading times and higher framerates, for no extra cash.
Crafty_ said:
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacturing capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted.
This business model works perfectly for Rolex.I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacturing capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted.
There is nothing that killer yet on the PS5 that makes me want to get stressed trying to buy one. I can happily wait until Q3 when Christmas 2021 games start coming.
witten said:
There is nothing that killer yet on the PS5 that makes me want to get stressed trying to buy one. I can happily wait until Q3 when Christmas 2021 games start coming.
This is where I am currently, even if there was something a bit special, I'd rather wait than pay a scalper.Crafty_ said:
I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that Sony have made an error having little or no stock to sell since mid December to late January. I was told not only was I wrong, that Sony would have considered that in their forecast and production schedule
I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
That strategy would only work whilst both xbox and ps5 are both put of stock.I am not sure they will ever ramp up production to meet demand, I think they have a manufacutring capacity and they'll stick to that and punters will have to wait for the goods. The suggestion is they started building machines around July time, so given the levels of demand and interest even at that time (which Sony remarked on a few times..) they'd have had enough time to ramp up if they wanted to.
As I understand it month 1 they sold something like 3.4m units. My guess is they could have sold double that if they had the stock - certainly they could be at 6m by now.
I reckon its going to be mid/end Q2 by the time we see regular stock.
If one beats the other to being readily available, many buyers waiting will go for the one they can buy.
Neither Ms or Sony would want to lose sales to the other due to supply issues.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see hikes in the official RRP of the new gen consoles in the near future. Prices are rising all over the place and the demand clearly justifies a higher price.
Personally, just out of stuck at home boredom, I'd probably buy one now if it were widely available and at current RRP. That's despite my reservations about its bulk and looks.
Because it isn't possible to easily get one, I will stick with my PS4 Pro and hope for a slimline PS5 release for next Christmas. I find myself more getting into PC games and Quest 2 VR titles though so maybe I'll just abandon this gen of consoles.
Being able to play the PC on the TV through Gamestream on my Shield and Google TV boxes is genuinely a game-changer. Plus GeForce Now is great for cloud gaming. Really, either of these are like having a really powerful console, nearly all modern PC games have adaptations for gamepad control because they have console versions. And PC games will be perpetually compatible with future hardware and automatically get better as you upgrade over time.
Personally, just out of stuck at home boredom, I'd probably buy one now if it were widely available and at current RRP. That's despite my reservations about its bulk and looks.
Because it isn't possible to easily get one, I will stick with my PS4 Pro and hope for a slimline PS5 release for next Christmas. I find myself more getting into PC games and Quest 2 VR titles though so maybe I'll just abandon this gen of consoles.
Being able to play the PC on the TV through Gamestream on my Shield and Google TV boxes is genuinely a game-changer. Plus GeForce Now is great for cloud gaming. Really, either of these are like having a really powerful console, nearly all modern PC games have adaptations for gamepad control because they have console versions. And PC games will be perpetually compatible with future hardware and automatically get better as you upgrade over time.
Mines dead.
I did the latest system update last night which seemed to go fine. I then downloaded and fired up destruction all stars. I was enjoying the tutorial when it just turned off completely and now will not boot. I get a beep, a blue light and then nothing.
Time to find out how good the repair/replacement service is.
Luckil not got round to selling my PS4 pro yet so I’ve still got something to use for my gt sport league racing!
I did the latest system update last night which seemed to go fine. I then downloaded and fired up destruction all stars. I was enjoying the tutorial when it just turned off completely and now will not boot. I get a beep, a blue light and then nothing.
Time to find out how good the repair/replacement service is.
Luckil not got round to selling my PS4 pro yet so I’ve still got something to use for my gt sport league racing!
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