Xbox series X vs well specced PC
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I need something explained to me I think.
My son is moving from a Xbox series X to a PC (yet to be bought) and I am doing a bit of reading so I know what is going on. Everything I have read says that you really need a 3080 to do proper 4K gaming on PC as a 3070 just doesn't quite cut it at that resolution.
I have seen many reports that says the Xbox handles 4K really well.
The Xbox is £450 and a decent specced 3070 based PC is £2000
Something doesn't add up?
My son is moving from a Xbox series X to a PC (yet to be bought) and I am doing a bit of reading so I know what is going on. Everything I have read says that you really need a 3080 to do proper 4K gaming on PC as a 3070 just doesn't quite cut it at that resolution.
I have seen many reports that says the Xbox handles 4K really well.
The Xbox is £450 and a decent specced 3070 based PC is £2000
Something doesn't add up?
Mass-production, cheaply-built - therefore economy of scale. Every single Xbox is the same so no need to develop and test with myriad other manufacturers and compatibility considerations.
However, like printers and ink, MS will sell the hardware cheap (or even at a loss) as what they REALLY want you to buy is a rolling Xbox Live subscription and loads and loads and loads of games and services. Also the official accessories, which are expensive.
They also REALLY don't want you buying a PS5.
However, like printers and ink, MS will sell the hardware cheap (or even at a loss) as what they REALLY want you to buy is a rolling Xbox Live subscription and loads and loads and loads of games and services. Also the official accessories, which are expensive.
They also REALLY don't want you buying a PS5.
Edited by Funk on Saturday 3rd July 00:31
I run a 3840x1600 so more than 1440p but less than 4k using a 3070 and it is ok for warzone . 100 - 110 fps.
But I think if I hadn't wanted to build my own pc for a hobby then a next gen console is better value for money if its just for casual gaming with mates.
I think PC is technically better... adjustable FOV, a bit more precision when you get good with keyboard and mouse... more adjustment on the display, filters etc... but a good controller player can still beat an average or poor keyboard player.
Can stream on a console, but PC could do other tasks... school/college work other software that might be of interest.
But I think if I hadn't wanted to build my own pc for a hobby then a next gen console is better value for money if its just for casual gaming with mates.
I think PC is technically better... adjustable FOV, a bit more precision when you get good with keyboard and mouse... more adjustment on the display, filters etc... but a good controller player can still beat an average or poor keyboard player.
Can stream on a console, but PC could do other tasks... school/college work other software that might be of interest.
Xbox Series X hasn't even been out for a year and he wants better?!
How old is he? Will he understand the variables that are often required to get prime performance, changing resolution and details etc.
Games on an Xbox Series X just work to the best of their ability, more that can be said for PC, but once sorted, you're laughing.
How old is he? Will he understand the variables that are often required to get prime performance, changing resolution and details etc.
Games on an Xbox Series X just work to the best of their ability, more that can be said for PC, but once sorted, you're laughing.
It will depend what he wants to do with it.
Play Fortnite or similar with a controller on a TV then I see little value in a £2k PC. All the current gen consoles do an amazing job at 4k, a lot of the AAA titles are cross platform and a controller is a controller.
Sim racing, flight sims or other PC centric stuff, multi-tasking, VR etc. then the PC is coming into it's own.
Games are more expensive on console but that's a lot of £70 vs £40 to breech that £1500 gap. PC has a huge range of more esoteric stuff but they don't tend to be the sort of games that need huge power.
I recently picked up a 3080 based PC, its amazing but not £1500 better than the PS5 we have hooked up to the same 4k screen.
Play Fortnite or similar with a controller on a TV then I see little value in a £2k PC. All the current gen consoles do an amazing job at 4k, a lot of the AAA titles are cross platform and a controller is a controller.
Sim racing, flight sims or other PC centric stuff, multi-tasking, VR etc. then the PC is coming into it's own.
Games are more expensive on console but that's a lot of £70 vs £40 to breech that £1500 gap. PC has a huge range of more esoteric stuff but they don't tend to be the sort of games that need huge power.
I recently picked up a 3080 based PC, its amazing but not £1500 better than the PS5 we have hooked up to the same 4k screen.
He has a laptop for gaming at the moment. We got that so he could do school work on lockdown but as soon as he got it he never fired up his Xbox again so we sold it. He is a 14 but appears to really like adjusting stuff and tweaking it. He is also getting into eSports and Twitch streaming of his games etc.
He is funding the PC build by selling other stuff he has grown out of so I am willing to support the way he has been proactive here.
I find it strange that on one hand you hear people say that PCs are much more powerful than consoles and then when you look it only appears true if you splash out for a 3080 based PC that would cost about £2500?
He is funding the PC build by selling other stuff he has grown out of so I am willing to support the way he has been proactive here.
I find it strange that on one hand you hear people say that PCs are much more powerful than consoles and then when you look it only appears true if you splash out for a 3080 based PC that would cost about £2500?
Consoles are sold at near cost or at a loss in order to get you to buy into their ecosystem.
PC component suppliers want to make significant profit on every component they sell you. There’s also a duopoly on the most expensive bits - CPU and GPU - and now that AMD has parity on performance there appears to be well defined price points that neither manufacturer wants to budge on MRSP.
Add to this you will really really struggle to find a GPU at the moment and prices are through the roof.
The thing about consoles is that the games developers know exactly what the target is and can squeeze every last drop out. For PC games they give you a million different graphics options to play with but it’s really hard to get the right balance to maximise your hardware without affecting frame rates.
I’m still astonished what can be done with eg RDR2 on previous gen consoles.
PC component suppliers want to make significant profit on every component they sell you. There’s also a duopoly on the most expensive bits - CPU and GPU - and now that AMD has parity on performance there appears to be well defined price points that neither manufacturer wants to budge on MRSP.
Add to this you will really really struggle to find a GPU at the moment and prices are through the roof.
The thing about consoles is that the games developers know exactly what the target is and can squeeze every last drop out. For PC games they give you a million different graphics options to play with but it’s really hard to get the right balance to maximise your hardware without affecting frame rates.
I’m still astonished what can be done with eg RDR2 on previous gen consoles.
Douglas Quaid said:
A lot of games are now released with bugs and then patched later online. Even if you don’t play online multiplayer and only play campaigns it’s still worth being connected to the internet to download updates.
That’s exactly my point, I want to play the full game, offline! I want to buy the disc, put it in the damn machine without needing to wait 20 mins for an update and then play it. I guess I’m just getting to old for this sh!textraT said:
That’s exactly my point, I want to play the full game, offline! I want to buy the disc, put it in the damn machine without needing to wait 20 mins for an update and then play it. I guess I’m just getting to old for this sh!t
What you want then is called retro gaming. You just cant play the latest games is that is your criteria.On the other hand you can not listen to all the scare stories and use common sense.
I cant remember the last time I had to wait hours for an update to play a game. Its just bulls
t.The people that moan tend to be the people with 2mb dial up broadband or just plain s
t connections.The ecosystem these days is setup to install in the background and is very slick.
If oyu want trouble free gaming get an xbox or a PS5, PCs requires a bit of setup knowledge and maintenance and are way more expensive (but can do way more).
If oyu want to play great modern games play them, but dont be a martyr and force yourself to play on old systems with dated games and graphics.
£250 for a state of the art Series S is bloody good value for money these days with what it is capable of.
If you want the best and can afford it buy it, it makes no difference to me, but gaming has never been in a better state than it has ever been.
The other thing to understand is that a Series X and the PS5 will advertise as running games at 4K but it's often upscaled, or running at 30fps, or some of the more advanced features are switched off to hit that headline target.
With a 3080 you can hit a genuine 4K on those same games, running at 60fps and with most options switched on.
Both the PS5 and Series X are sold at a loss as they make their money on the games and subscription sales.
With a 3080 you can hit a genuine 4K on those same games, running at 60fps and with most options switched on.
Both the PS5 and Series X are sold at a loss as they make their money on the games and subscription sales.
Welshbeef said:
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That sounds like a challenge - surely the full on techies could build itYou can run Linux on Xbox components but Xbox hardware is so tightly integrated and optimised for what it does that trying to turn it into a 'gaming PC' just wouldn't work. It's already an epic gaming machine, why would you want to try and turn it into a s
t PC?I got a Series X last week, its better for me as it just removes a layer of cocking about that you get on PC's, got a fairly decent pc but I quite like using thr Xbox on my big telly on the reclining sofa.
PC has its place but for me, prefer the Xbox, the Series X is nicer to use, cant say it plays much differently but the load times are much better an Gamepass gives you loads to go at.
Being at the pc is a bit much like working as I have three monitors and one is for my pc, and two for work.
PC has its place but for me, prefer the Xbox, the Series X is nicer to use, cant say it plays much differently but the load times are much better an Gamepass gives you loads to go at.
Being at the pc is a bit much like working as I have three monitors and one is for my pc, and two for work.
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