Hogwarts Legacy

[Trustmeimadoctor]

It does feel slightly nurfed as an RPG. It is pretty though

[mmm-five]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

It does feel slightly nurfed as an RPG. It is pretty though

Definitely made for the 'casual' rather than 'hard core' RPG player.

[Jimmy No Hands]

mmm-five said:

Definitely made for the 'casual' rather than 'hard core' RPG player.

Has to be these days - the appeal for 'proper' RPG's is minimal and you're really narrowing your audience down.

I've been putting off getting this but it's £33 on a popular CD Key website, so I'm going to cave in and get it today for Steam.

[ZedLeg]

Jimmy No Hands said:

Has to be these days - the appeal for 'proper' RPG's is minimal and you're really narrowing your audience down.

bks, a "proper" RPG was the 2nd best selling game last year.

[KaraK]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

It does feel slightly nurfed as an RPG. It is pretty though

I don't think it's nerfed so much as it's not really intended as a full-fat RPG - it's definitely more of a Metroidvania game with some ARPG elements and it succeeds admirably at that IMO.

Don't get me wrong I like playing more full-on RPGs and ARPGs too (I'm actually using my XBOne to play Dragon Age: Inquisition for the times my OH is on the XSX playing HL) but I'd go so far as to say Hogwarts Legacy is all the better for not being one as it allows for a greater flexibility in play style. There's players out there enjoying min-maxing their gear and talent builds but you don't have to in order to get an enjoyable experience. My OH is playing on story-mode difficulty and very much enjoying the exploration and collecting elements and just generally inhabiting the environment and I'm enjoying those things too but I also enjoy the combat elements more than she does so I'm playing on a higher difficulty and enjoying finding ways I can kick ass.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

Yeah maybe I'm just finding it a bit shallow at the moment
Just finished the first trial

It just feels like it's lacking something I'm glad it's not elder scrolls but wish it was more Witcher in depth

[B0bajobbob]

I'm not a massive HP fan but enjoyed reading the books years ago and really enjoy a good one player game. This ticks all the boxes. It looks great and keeps things moving with a multitude of essential and non essential quests + random puzzles that you stumble across. I'm up to level 20 or so and the plot is keeping me interested. The game doesn't really break any new ground but it creates an appealing and convincing universe and I can see myself playing all the way through. Combat is generally satisfying and linear in progression however the sheer number of spells and buttons required does necessitate some key mapping and practise to get good.

Given the conflict that JKR has with some minority elements the developers have gone out of their way to be as inclusive as possible to the extent that it does on occasion break immersion in the universe/environment. There is a lady that works in one of the pubs in Hogsmeade that speaks with a man's voice that I initially thought was a bug. How anyone reviewing the game could score it down due to any disagreement with JKR is ridiculous given the flexibility and exaggerated inclusivity of so many key characters.

[ZedLeg]

B0bajobbob said:

How anyone reviewing the game could score it down due to any disagreement with JKR is ridiculous given the flexibility and exaggerated inclusivity of so many key characters.

Because it's blatantly clear that the inclusivity has been tacked on due to the criticism that the original series has for dodgy stereotypes.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

I'm not sure how they could make it differently tbh


I have found a same sex couple so far but without asking each character how they identify and their life story I'm not sure what else needs to be done or could be done

[B0bajobbob]

ZedLeg said:

Because it's blatantly clear that the inclusivity has been tacked on due to the criticism that the original series has for dodgy stereotypes.

So people had a problem that the original series was more reflective of Britain's past than future and yet when the universe is updated to reflect an unrealistic and exaggerated vision of an imaginary current Britain they still complain because its contrived? You simply can't please some people.

[ZedLeg]

B0bajobbob said:

ZedLeg said:

Because it's blatantly clear that the inclusivity has been tacked on due to the criticism that the original series has for dodgy stereotypes.

So people had a problem that the original series was more reflective of Britain's past than future and yet when the universe is updated to reflect an unrealistic and exaggerated vision of an imaginary current Britain they still complain because its contrived? You simply can't please some people.

That’s a mighty fine situation that never happened you made up for yourself.

Not worth arguing over though

[B0bajobbob]

ZedLeg said:

Not worth arguing over though

True dat

[Stig]

36 hours in, level 32 (I think).

Having played RDR, RDR2, Skyrim, Witcher 3, I think HL makes a very good account for itself. I'm a completionist, so generally pickup quests as they arrive and only do story when I have run out of side quests.

Like The Witcher, it rewards perseverance as there's simply more to do as you progress. The integration of Beasts and what you can do with them is great, along with the more traditional crafting/potion type stuff.

The trials offer a good mix of puzzling and combat and success relies on knowing your armoury and your enemy. By no means original in this respect, but has been done well I think, especially with spell effects on given mobs (Flipendo, Expelliarmous etc.).

But it's also the SIZE of it that's impressive. I've only just unlocked the Highlands (at 36 hours) and that play area alone is huge and seems well populated with villages, dungeons, beast, trials etc.

I thought it was steeply priced when first bought, but it's one of the few games I'd consider a replay (once I'm done with current character) as a different house.

Just my 2p

[GnuBee]

B0bajobbob said:

True dat

Arguing - no. Discussing - yes. In this thread probably not but as I'm happy to put a target on my back;

It's a beloved IP which resulted in a significant number of children,YA and adults reading books and a series of successful films that entertained a diverse (in all it's meanings) audience across the world. As society comes to terms/adjusts to new thinking particularly in the areas of gender identity and critical race theory there now are multiple "readings" of the IP, the author and any derivative works.

[ZedLeg]

GnuBee said:

B0bajobbob said:

True dat

Arguing - no. Discussing - yes. In this thread probably not but as I'm happy to put a target on my back;

It's a beloved IP which resulted in a significant number of children,YA and adults reading books and a series of successful films that entertained a diverse (in all it's meanings) audience across the world. As society comes to terms/adjusts to new thinking particularly in the areas of gender identity and critical race theory there now are multiple "readings" of the IP, the author and any derivative works.

the authors own words and views didn't really help from that pov. My partner and I were fans of the series, read all the books, watched all the movies up to the first fantastic beasts one but can't support the series anymore due to JKR.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

ZedLeg said:

GnuBee said:

B0bajobbob said:

True dat

Arguing - no. Discussing - yes. In this thread probably not but as I'm happy to put a target on my back;

It's a beloved IP which resulted in a significant number of children,YA and adults reading books and a series of successful films that entertained a diverse (in all it's meanings) audience across the world. As society comes to terms/adjusts to new thinking particularly in the areas of gender identity and critical race theory there now are multiple "readings" of the IP, the author and any derivative works.

the authors own words and views didn't really help from that pov. My partner and I were fans of the series, read all the books, watched all the movies up to the first fantastic beasts one but can't support the series anymore due to JKR.

Do you have anything of value to contribute to this thread about the game itself?

[ZedLeg]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

ZedLeg said:

GnuBee said:

B0bajobbob said:

True dat

Arguing - no. Discussing - yes. In this thread probably not but as I'm happy to put a target on my back;

It's a beloved IP which resulted in a significant number of children,YA and adults reading books and a series of successful films that entertained a diverse (in all it's meanings) audience across the world. As society comes to terms/adjusts to new thinking particularly in the areas of gender identity and critical race theory there now are multiple "readings" of the IP, the author and any derivative works.

the authors own words and views didn't really help from that pov. My partner and I were fans of the series, read all the books, watched all the movies up to the first fantastic beasts one but can't support the series anymore due to JKR.

Do you have anything of value to contribute to this thread about the game itself?

Haven't played it, I've just been following the thread to see how people are getting on with it. If it's bothering people I won't contribute anymore.

[GnuBee]

My only "contribution" is that when I've finally wrapped up God of War Ragnarok, Hogwarts Legacy is the next game, it's already downloaded. I've been trying to avoid spoilers and have watched ACG and Skill Up's reviews. I'm looking forward to the ranged combat as a counter to the over 100 hours of axe to balls combat I've just enjoyed (hugely) in GOW.

[KaraK]

ZedLeg said:

Koyaanisqatsi said:

ZedLeg said:

GnuBee said:

B0bajobbob said:

True dat

Arguing - no. Discussing - yes. In this thread probably not but as I'm happy to put a target on my back;

It's a beloved IP which resulted in a significant number of children,YA and adults reading books and a series of successful films that entertained a diverse (in all it's meanings) audience across the world. As society comes to terms/adjusts to new thinking particularly in the areas of gender identity and critical race theory there now are multiple "readings" of the IP, the author and any derivative works.

the authors own words and views didn't really help from that pov. My partner and I were fans of the series, read all the books, watched all the movies up to the first fantastic beasts one but can't support the series anymore due to JKR.

Do you have anything of value to contribute to this thread about the game itself?

Haven't played it, I've just been following the thread to see how people are getting on with it. If it's bothering people I won't contribute anymore.

I've no problem with you contributing to the thread, but I must admit it's a bit strange to be making comments like "Because it's blatantly clear that the inclusivity has been tacked on due to the criticism that the original series has for dodgy stereotypes." without having played it to find out - particularly since (while I can't speak to the dev's motivation when they did it) the inclusivity (particularly the trans NPC) really doesn't feel tacked on. I'd go so far as to say it's actually one of the smoothest inclusions of such that I've seen.

At the risk of going way off topic if you want to see a badly done bit of trans inclusivity you only have to look no further than S3 of Umbrella Academy, I mean it's no-one's fault given the timing of Elliot Page's public transition left no real time to properly integrate it into the writing, but the end result is an extremely odd episode that feels like someone duct-taped a canon ball to the side of a dog. Like absolutely top marks to Netflix and the production company for being supportive to Page but they still didn't stick the landing - which is my point, intentions matter far less than how well they pull it off and dismissing the inclusivity in HL based on a presumption does it a serious disservice IMO.

I'm not saying you should play the game if you don't want to - you can play or not for whatever reason you choose and it's no skin of my nose.

[ZedLeg]

KaraK said:

At the risk of going way off topic if you want to see a badly done bit of trans inclusivity you only have to look no further than S3 of Umbrella Academy, I mean it's no-one's fault given the timing of Elliot Page's public transition left no real time to properly integrate it into the writing, but the end result is an extremely odd episode that feels like someone duct-taped a canon ball to the side of a dog. Like absolutely top marks to Netflix and the production company for being supportive to Page but they still didn't stick the landing - which is my point, intentions matter far less than how well they pull it off and dismissing the inclusivity in HL based on a presumption does it a serious disservice IMO.

I'm not saying you should play the game if you don't want to - you can play or not for whatever reason you choose and it's no skin of my nose.

I've not caught up with UA so I've not seen that. The main issue I have with the likes of the inclusion of a trans character in HP is that it's a whitewash. WB aren't the worst publisher but AAA gaming is a dumpster fire and with specific focus on HP, more inclusive characters don't mean a lot when the creator of the series refuses to examine her own views.

Like I say, I'm not super fussed about playing the game in general as it looks meh, but the big open world RPG is my favourite genre of games and I would've probably picked it up if not for the HP license.

I'm the same regarding people playing it, play it if you want but it's not for me.