GT5 Championship / Sunday 9pm

[Norbury90]

PVA, that was a great championship. Expertly organised and run, especially as people were coming and going and most people were new faces!

Well played to all of the participants also, excellent driving in every race.

PVA was unlucky to get a penalty in the first race, without that penalty I think it would have been a right royal battle between us! We were really closely matched on pace, I think you just had the edge on ultimate laptime pace.

The less said about the second race the better, in terms of my own race. Snuck past a few of the guys who had incidents, and ended up with Torque and Darkdice. It was a good fight, although I ended up dropping a couple of slides and that really hurt me.Would have liked 6th, but 8th was probably fair. There was no way I was going to catch the front 5, they were long gone.

[daz4m]

Norbs, the M5 finished the season well, you guys just couldn't get past it.

[Pvapour]

daz4m said:

Norbs, the M5 finished the season well, you guys just couldn't get past it.

I found a way

by the way, looked at replay, and according to the images you lost the back end which is how I snuck passed, I never made contact with you, did you feel contact? oo er...

I was so concerned I recorded a video of it for you be interesting to see if your replay sees it different, I was unaware of any contact through my controller which ties in with my replay

Pexy, I only went to the grass to avoid hitting you, didn't plan the grass venture

Norbury90 said:

PVA was unlucky to get a penalty in the first race, without that penalty I think it would have been a right royal battle between us! We were really closely matched on pace, I think you just had the edge on ultimate laptime pace.

very gracious of you Norbury it was weird, I had never had a penalty there EVER! or for rest of race best man won congratulations!


next championship.....

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 28th February 18:53

[daz4m]

Back end went when the merc rammed it. You were on a mission last night fella.

Edited by daz4m on Monday 28th February 20:45

[Pvapour]

daz4m said:

Back end went when the merc rammed it. You were on a mission last night fella.

Edited by daz4m on Monday 28th February 20:45

not at all, drove as normal, have you watched your replay? mine shows you barging around, not me

[daz4m]

And yet unlike you I'm not having to explain my driving on here. See you at the next race chief.

[Pvapour]

whatever 'chief'

[Darkdice]

Easy tigers don't need no red mist on Sunday with the settings we have!

[Pvapour]

has completely the opposite effect on me Dice

A wide berth will be given

[vicpolky]

Talking of which, my big tank-slapper on the first lap of the second race would have destroyed my car if was in the new champs, which makes it even more frustrating that I was 'helped off.' Did anyone take a look, as I'd be interested to know where this kind of thing would fall in the new season? Acceptable racing incident or careless?

[Fartgalen]

vicpolky said:

Talking of which, my big tank-slapper on the first lap of the second race would have destroyed my car if was in the new champs, which makes it even more frustrating that I was 'helped off.' Did anyone take a look, as I'd be interested to know where this kind of thing would fall in the new season? Acceptable racing incident or careless?

I've checked the replay Vic.
I was behind & overtaking you when you had your big off.
I can't see any contact. IF there is any, there's the slightest of slight touches just before the turn left after the tunnel. The replay doesn't show any damage/sound or definite alteration of your direction of travel. Checked it from several view points because I became worried that it was me that sent you off. But sorry - my replay shows no sign of contact. Looks to me like you just drift wide (which is when I go to the inside), and you lose it when you get too wide on the track.

ETA - maybe there's some lagging on my/your part - which is not visible on the replay ?

Edited by Fartgalen on Tuesday 1st March 08:40

[Pvapour]

I'm not so sure replays are that definitive which could prove judging contact difficult in the new championship, as discussed above, I was genuinely interested to see what Daz saw in his replays as mine showed no contact at all, Daz described it as me Ramming him & I felt nothing at my end of the pad, that's a huge difference!

I'll have a look at my replay of your incident Viper to see how it differs, its important going forward I think.....

[vicpolky]

Hiya mate. First off I'm not saying it was deliberate, just unlucky for me. My replay shows two clear points of contact, and the sounds and reaction of my car in the replay are consistent with that. The first on the entry to the corner, your car hit mine on the inside rear corner, making my entry speed to the corner quicker than I wanted, the second is as you drive along the inside, contact sideways into my car, I remember it clearly in the race and the sound effect in my replay bares it out, you can hear the bump amd see the movement and hear my tyres lose traction sideways as I'm hit. I fought with the steering for a second to try to keep it on the black stuff but then it all let go and I was a passenger.

ETA - There wasn't any lagging that I noticed in the race, it all seemed smooth from my point of view and my replay is exactly as I remember the incident. It isn't heavy contact, but in the context of high-speed cornering at the edge of grip, it was enought to send me off.

Edited by vicpolky on Tuesday 1st March 08:50

[Evo]

True, you only need the slightest contact at high speed. even worse if you're dowen hill with camber.

Any one picking the Nurburgring with the real damage settings then

[Pvapour]

There does seem to be discrepancies between what is being felt during race and recorded for that person versus what the other player feels and has recorded.

Both replays of my incident with Daz and Vipers with Vic seem to show something different to the replays recorded by others, I got this image from my replay of Vics concern which seems to be more in line with Vics description, plus replayed showed the rear corner tap before entry to the corner, very very mild though, but as Vic says, at those high speed low grip levels...

Viper can you look at my 1st lap coming together with Daz? see if it shows a full on ramming / contact?

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 1st March 09:22

[Fartgalen]

Pvapour said:

There does seem to be discrepancies between what is being felt during race and recorded for that person versus what the other player feels and has recorded.

Both replays of my incident with Daz and Vipers with Vic seem to show something different to the replays recorded by others, I got this image from my replay of Vics concern which seems to be more in line with Vics description, plus replayed showed the rear corner tap before entry to the corner, very very mild though, but as Vic says, at those high speed low grip levels...

Viper can you look at my 1st lap coming together with Daz? see if it shows a full on ramming / contact?

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 1st March 09:22

That is slightly worrying. According to my replay, there might have been the slightest of touches on the rear of Vics car, but then there's no further contact. On my replay, we're close, but with something like 20cm's between wing mirrors, not touching as in your replay Nik.
Apologies Vic - really was not intentional, or for that matter even noticed by me during the race.

And yes Nik, in my replay you do give Daz a healthy tap on the left rear. I wouldn't call it deliberate ramming. A racing incident maybe. But it certainly upset Daz's car.

[daz4m]

I think this may be going a little too far guys. We all made it back in one piece, I just wanted to make Pva aware I felt his pass was a bit on the bargeing side. Continuous improvement and all that!! Certainly nothing I will be remembering or considering next season. As long as people say sorry and move on that should be enough.

For info, my replay shows as I described, I realise you were going for the championship PVA so you took the gaps you felt were there. In all honesty I would have been driving with a similar level of aggression had I been in that position. With the M5 it's all about conservation of tyres and that means smoothness over outright pace is required.

[vicpolky]

That's easy to say Daz if it didn't completely fk your race up. However, I was in 3rd place and as a result of a big crash that wasn't my fault ended up last, at least ten seconds behind the pack. Without the contact, I'm sure I would have come out the other side of that corner in one piece and in 3rd. I'm not saying it's deliberate or having a go at Fartgalen about it, just pleasantly asking if this is classed as a 'racing incident' or if it's something that shouldn't have happened - given that precious Championship points (and places) are at stake

ETA - no worries at all Fartgalen, I was pretty fking pissed at the time, not least because I'd been dumped from the first race, and it's probably to everyone's benefit that my mic wasn't working :-). Onto the next championship, just hope everyone's a bit more careful.

Edited by vicpolky on Tuesday 1st March 10:06

[Pvapour]

Daz - just looking to understand where the differences lie, there seems to have been some consistency through the championship of one person beleiving one thing has happened and the other person have a different perspective, it seems the difference in replays and feel in game at time of impact could be the reason?

from what Viper has said i clearly made contact with you and for that I applogise dont have a problem saying sorry for things when I know they've happened

but it is also quite worrying as we rely on in game feel for close proximity racing, if a driver is receiving different information in game to what's actually happening for everyone else then allowances need to be made.

Personally I love 'close' racing i & have had extremely close racing with Norbury on this basis without incident, apart from a couple where it was obvious I had made a blunder so I let him back passed, but it was obvious to me and thats the point.

I think I will make a little more space for people in the future because of this. (this will come back to haunt me I'm sure )

[jon-]

I'm almost positive that lag can give contact to one person and not another, as I've argued a few times with mates I 100% trust who claim I've hit them and I've not on my screen.