Your thoughts on the philosophy of upgrading...

[GFWilliams]

I really fancy a D850, but it's very hard to justify when I have a Hasselblad...

[Disastrous]

Hmm, some interesting thoughts here.

I’m still flim-flamming from one thought to another.

Part of me feels like it’s only worth sinking any money into this if I make a proper upgrade to a FF body and some new lenses, otherwise it will just feel like an incremental upgrade that cost me the best part of a grand

Maybe the thing to do is just spring for a 6D2, a nice lens (say EF 24-70) and make that the special camera for when IQ is important.

[corozin]

You mention that you have a lot of EF-S glass in your kit. Perhaps instead of going to a new body you should consider upgrading to some L-spec lenses to see how much of an improvement that brings.

Aside from anything else EF-S lenses won't fit a FF camera anyway.

[Disastrous]

corozin said:

You mention that you have a lot of EF-S glass in your kit. Perhaps instead of going to a new body you should consider upgrading to some L-spec lenses to see how much of an improvement that brings.

Aside from anything else EF-S lenses won't fit a FF camera anyway.

Definitely a consideration.

The downside is the DoF issue mentioned earlier using EF on a crop sensor. I’ve got *some* EF primes but I really fancy the 24-70.

I’d most miss my Tokina 11-16 if I go FF as it’s one of my favourites. That steers me back to an 80D.

And round in circles I go

[Tony1963]

A 16-35mm f/4.0 will replace the 11-16mm quite nicely.

Just so you know, my 11-16 fitted onto my 5D3 and worked, albeit at 16mm only (vignetting).

[45Flipper]

checkmate91 said:

I'm in a similar dilemma. Bought a 7D in 2011for action and sports plus holiday snaps and hi-brow arty stuff. Subsequently realised that it is now woefully short of capability compared to the opposition for indoor sports (fencing in sports halls usually, lighting adequate but green walls etc cause havoc with AWB and the std ef-s lenses aren't really fast enough). Next step for me is new 5d mk4 or Canon half-price 5d mk3 at £1,700, can't decide. I have a number of ef lenses so no prob there and the 7D is still perfectly adequate in good light but I'm doing a lot of indoor now and know I could achieve better results than I am currently getting. All for social media and the recipients love them anyway but they're not a critical audience. Just my thoughts...

Edited by checkmate91 on Thursday 18th January 21:17

WEX are currently offering an extra £200 trade in for your camera if you buy a new one from them. I have just applied a serious amount of man maths to trade in my 2 year old 70d for a 5d mk iv. They also gave me £150 worth of goodies to go with it so along with the £610 for the camera I got £760 off the new one! As far as I’m concerned I paid £2469 for a new 5d!

I’ve just got to learn how to make the most of it now!!!

[Craikeybaby]

Going back to the original post, I think the OP is on the right track thinking about getting some good glass. My general philosophy though is that if you don't know what features you need to upgrade to, you don't really need to upgrade.

Having siad that I may be about to go down a slippery slope...

I hadn't really considered the Canon M series until this thread, now I'm looking at buying one, as I feel I need something between my iPhone and 5D & lenses. I had been considering a Powershot G7X mk2, but one of these M series may be a better bet.

[Disastrous]

My logic on the nice bit of EF glass, is that eventually, I will probably buy a FF camera and when I do, I'll have the glass ready to go. In the meantime, it will give me a good 'speedboost' with the body I have I think. It's not as if the 60D takes bad photos, it's just getting on a bit.

That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...

As a final thought, I would hugely recommend the M3 onwards. I had an original M and whilst it takes some nice photos, the OS and AF is pretty stty and low light focusing is near impossible.

The M3 was enough of a boost to make all that bearable (as long as you aren't trying to shoot fast moving sports/kids/dogs!) and you can buy an app that connects via wifi for doing time lapses and stuff. Really versatile wee thing and honestly, if they only ever made the 22mm pancake, I'd be happy.

[ashleyman]

Disastrous said:

That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...

Yes. It's camera part ex value + £200.

I traded in a busted 500D towards my 5D IV which would have been rejected but they called me and said they'd valued it at £1 meaning it's trade in value was £201 when buying a new Canon body.

[Disastrous]

ashleyman said:

Disastrous said:

That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...

Yes. It's camera part ex value + £200.

I traded in a busted 500D towards my 5D IV which would have been rejected but they called me and said they'd valued it at £1 meaning it's trade in value was £201 when buying a new Canon body.

I just had a look on their site and it seems it only counts against a 5DIV sadly. I'd love one but it's still too far out of budget

[ashleyman]

Disastrous said:

ashleyman said:

Disastrous said:

That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...

Yes. It's camera part ex value + £200.

I traded in a busted 500D towards my 5D IV which would have been rejected but they called me and said they'd valued it at £1 meaning it's trade in value was £201 when buying a new Canon body.

I just had a look on their site and it seems it only counts against a 5DIV sadly. I'd love one but it's still too far out of budget

I hadn’t realised that. Sorry. I know Canon sometimes do deals on other models just don’t know when.

[Tony1963]

When HDEW sell the 5D4 for £1080 less than Wex that offer isn't much of a deal to many people.

[singlecoil]

Tony1963 said:

When HDEW sell the 5D4 for £1080 less than Wex that offer isn't much of a deal to many people.

That will be a grey import though? It says three year guarantee but I don't know how much faith one could put in that, especially as they couldn't send it to Canon UK.

[Tony1963]

I've never heard of anyone having a problem with a Canon within warranty, and I suspect that Nikon and many others will be the same. The HDEW warranty has a good reputation.

[45Flipper]

Disastrous said:

I just had a look on their site and it seems it only counts against a 5DIV sadly. I'd love one but it's still too far out of budget

What’s your budget? Why not put that down and do the rest on 0% credit for two years. I’ve done that and I’m only paying £65 a month. I could have paid it all off, but if it’s 0%, it’s a no brainier to me to finance some of it. You’d have to ring them or go the the showroom though.

[Disastrous]

45Flipper said:

Disastrous said:

I just had a look on their site and it seems it only counts against a 5DIV sadly. I'd love one but it's still too far out of budget

What’s your budget? Why not put that down and do the rest on 0% credit for two years. I’ve done that and I’m only paying £65 a month. I could have paid it all off, but if it’s 0%, it’s a no brainier to me to finance some of it. You’d have to ring them or go the the showroom though.

£600 + a 60D

To be honest, a 5D is more than I need. We’ve got a few in the office for work and they’re great but I don’t need a squillion AF points (rarely use anything other than the centre one) and all the rest. If I were going FF I think a 6D would be as much as I would ever need.

I had considered going down the finance route to fund a whole new package of 6D plus lens right enough...

[rene7]

Digicams have been developed as far has current tech allows, I use a 60D, a 6D and a 7Dmk2, the 6D definitely rules on high ISO shots otherwise there's little to chose between 60D and 7Dmk2 except the FPS on 7Dmk2 and cost of buying the body.
If you have a 60D then invest in quality Glass and await for significant developments in any future Body's - Don't hold your breath mind, Methinks It's gonna be a long wait
Of course plenty will tell you the 5Dmk4 is the greatest thing since sliced bread - what an overpriced load of bks, the central focussing point on the 6D is the best Canon have devised - again IMO, I'm sure plenty will disagree
For general snaps most quality modern cell phones take excellent shots,
Hope this helps

[Craikeybaby]

Disastrous said:

As a final thought, I would hugely recommend the M3 onwards. I had an original M and whilst it takes some nice photos, the OS and AF is pretty stty and low light focusing is near impossible.

The M3 was enough of a boost to make all that bearable (as long as you aren't trying to shoot fast moving sports/kids/dogs!) and you can buy an app that connects via wifi for doing time lapses and stuff. Really versatile wee thing and honestly, if they only ever made the 22mm pancake, I'd be happy.

Thanks. The main use for my small camera would be to carry with my when mountain biking, or for shots of my son. So maybe not the best option.