Cheap full frame starting out

Cheap full frame starting out

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Trustmeimadoctor

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12,522 posts

154 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Cheers I can always progress wink a k1 seems to cost a lot more than a 6d

Simpo Two

85,147 posts

264 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I just read the dpreview article on the K1 and you have a point. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-1

It's a pity that Pentax somehow missed the DSLR bandwagon; in the days of film they were one of the best-known brands.

rich888

2,610 posts

198 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Trustmeimadoctor said:
Cheers I can always progress wink a k1 seems to cost a lot more than a 6d
There's nothing wrong with a 6D, it's a fine bit of kit, so enjoy what it can offer you.

saxon

420 posts

249 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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I think the 6D and Pentax K1 are around the same price:

6D body is £1728 https://www.jessops.com/p/canon/eos-6d-mark-ii-dig...

K1 body is £1799 https://www.jessops.com/p/pentax/k-1-mark-ii-digit...

The 6D is a fine camera, it just isn't as capable as a K1. The truth is though that the photographer has been and always will be more important than the gear. If you gave David Bailey the cheapest DSLR in the world chances are he can take a better picture than anyone here equipped with a Hasselblad.

Digital camera performance is now at such a high level, photo editing is so powerful that there are few of us here likely to be held back by any decent DSLR.

Yes, Pentax are an interesting case of a company who lost their way at the dawn of the digital era and it cost them dearly. Around the mid 1980's they were the biggest film SLR maker. The truth is they got into digital very early and collaborated with Contax and Phillips on a joint project to produce the world's first full frame DSLR which was shown as the Pentax MZ-D in 2001. They did manage to build it but Pentax were unhappy with the image quality of the Phillips sensor and pulled out after building production prototypes. Contax pressed on and launched the Contax N digital. It was the world's first full frame DSLR but the disappointing performance of the sensor coupled with the huge development cost of something that was right at the bleeding edge of technology led to the demise of Contax and left Pentax licking their wounds from the whole experience.

It was another 2-3 years until Pentax launched an APSC DSLR in 2003 but by then Canon and Nikon had seized control of the market for DSLR's in APSC and Canon had the EOS 1Ds full frame too.

The shift to digital was rapid and dramatic. Pentax were unique in making their DSLR lens bayonet the same as their film SLR bayonet which would have given them a huge marketing advantage (and still does) but they lost a lot of ground around that time.

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2734370763/penta...

Anyway enjoy your new camera!

Saxon

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Phunk

1,972 posts

170 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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I think he might be referring to the 6D mki which can be picked up used for about £500 smile

If you are looking for the nifty 50, try and pick up the new Canon 1.8 STM, it gets some great reviews and is actually sharper than the 1.4 in many situations.


singlecoil

33,309 posts

245 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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saxon said:
...The only way to get better image quality is to buy a medium format or a mirrorless Sony A7R mk2...
Nikon D850? Canon 5DSR? Sony A7R Mk3?

Trustmeimadoctor

Original Poster:

12,522 posts

154 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Phunk said:
I think he might be referring to the 6D mki which can be picked up used for about £500 smile

If you are looking for the nifty 50, try and pick up the new Canon 1.8 STM, it gets some great reviews and is actually sharper than the 1.4 in many situations.
Yeah 6d mk i I was looking for a cheap entry into full frame wink.
Yes on the look out for a cheap 50 stm also a cheap 24-105

Phunk

1,972 posts

170 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Trustmeimadoctor said:
Phunk said:
I think he might be referring to the 6D mki which can be picked up used for about £500 smile

If you are looking for the nifty 50, try and pick up the new Canon 1.8 STM, it gets some great reviews and is actually sharper than the 1.4 in many situations.
Yeah 6d mk i I was looking for a cheap entry into full frame wink.
Yes on the look out for a cheap 50 stm also a cheap 24-105
Also look at the 40mm pancake.

I'm currently using it on holiday on my 5Diii and it's a great travel lens, cheap too smile

saxon

420 posts

249 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Singlecoil,

Actually Nikon D850 does just pip the K1 but the Canon EOS 5DSR trails both for image quality and I did already acknowledge the superiority of Sony's A7R.

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-si...

Truth is that although Canon's sensors have trailed the Sony ones that Nikon, Pentax and Sony use for years it hasn't stopped Canon becoming the biggest camera manufacturer. My best buddy shoots with an EOS 5D Mk3 and I shoot with the Pentax K1, we enjoy ribbing each other in a sort of Clarkson Hammond and May way about each other's appalling taste in cameras and I always enjoy turning up for a shoot in his studio wearing a Pentax T shirt!

One of the most interesting things we have both done is swapped gear for an afternoon. I think he was astounded that the build, ergonomics and image quality of the Pentax were so good and he loved my Pentax D-FA 77mm f1.8 limited portrait lens. I fell in love with his Canon L series 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens which I regard as the best zoom I have ever used and the Canon body has a superb autofocus system. In short at this level both are superb cameras with few compromises and merely a balance of slightly different strengths and weaknesses. It certainly makes for an interesting change to shoot another brand and broadens your perspective on photography and camera makes in general.

Saxon

singlecoil

33,309 posts

245 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Saxon

You should post some of your results.

Singlecoil

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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k1. yawn.

Trustmeimadoctor

Original Poster:

12,522 posts

154 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Just bought the 40 2.8 bargain at £80

Simpo Two

85,147 posts

264 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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saxon said:
Pentax were unique in making their DSLR lens bayonet the same as their film SLR bayonet...
Nikon F-mount? The electrical contacts have multiplied with time but the bayonet part has been the same since 1959 IIRC.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Simpo Two said:
saxon said:
Pentax were unique in making their DSLR lens bayonet the same as their film SLR bayonet...
Nikon F-mount? The electrical contacts have multiplied with time but the bayonet part has been the same since 1959 IIRC.
Yep though 'keeping it the same' is somewhat short sighted when you can improve things like canon did with the EF mount.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

220 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Yep though 'keeping it the same' is somewhat short sighted when you can improve things like canon did with the EF mount.
...and it's put them in an awkward position with the inevitable swing towards full frame mirrorless in the next year or two. Canon have it easy in comparison, in fact Sony have already shown how relatively painless it will be for Canon with the adaptability of the EF mount.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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ukaskew said:
RobDickinson said:
Yep though 'keeping it the same' is somewhat short sighted when you can improve things like canon did with the EF mount.
...and it's put them in an awkward position with the inevitable swing towards full frame mirrorless in the next year or two. Canon have it easy in comparison, in fact Sony have already shown how relatively painless it will be for Canon with the adaptability of the EF mount.
Sry miss understood.. Yes nikon etc don't have a mount ready for mirror less, Canon have already.

Its a fully electronic mount , they already have a mirrorless mount (ef-m) that works on the same electronics and will work fine with ff sensors. Canon have been milking the advantages of the EF mount since the mid 80's

Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 27th May 03:53

Simpo Two

85,147 posts

264 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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So keeping the same mount is either an advantage or a handicap.... hmm.

I know nothing about 'mirrorless' cameras; why do you need a different lens mount if you take the mirror out?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Getting the lens close to the sensor has advantages.

Just taking the mirror out is pretty pointless.

Having a pure electronic connection to the lens makes it easier to adapt

Simpo Two

85,147 posts

264 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Getting the lens close to the sensor has advantages.

Just taking the mirror out is pretty pointless.

Having a pure electronic connection to the lens makes it easier to adapt
OK, so mirrorless cameras exist not to get rid of the noisy flappy bit that's so 20th century, but to get the lens closer to the sensor for some advantages.

I don't know what a pure electronic connection means, or why you'd want to adapt a lens. What does that mean?.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Saving space and weight helps too.

Traditionally lenses have had mechanical interfaces for driving autofocus and selecting aperture.

Canon ef removed that completely. Something nikon still hasn't done.

Because of that it's easier to use those lenses on mirror less with adaptors