Worth switching to mirrorless?

[R1 Dave]

Thanks I'll have a watch

[tonyb1968]

R1 Dave said:

Thanks I'll have a watch

Worth waiting for Nikon's announcement (rumoured announcement) for the Z6 and Z7 camera's on the 23/08/18

[ukaskew]

tonyb1968 said:

Worth waiting for Nikon's announcement (rumoured announcement) for the Z6 and Z7 camera's on the 23/08/18

Although with the way UK pricing works (profit from early adopters) it's likely to be a huge premium picking one up in the first 6 months.

Always a bit of a risk anyhow, I'd be amazed if Nikon smash it right out of the park first time. Second or third gen is usually when new systems hit their stride.

[Andy M]

ukaskew said:

Although with the way UK pricing works (profit from early adopters) it's likely to be a huge premium picking one up in the first 6 months.

Always a bit of a risk anyhow, I'd be amazed if Nikon smash it right out of the park first time. Second or third gen is usually when new systems hit their stride.

I think you're right to be cautious given that Nikon still have issues with almost every release of a major new dSLR - both the D500 and D5 had to be recalled, the D600 had numerous unhappy users due to oil splattering on the sensor, and the numerous recalls for the D750.

[GetCarter]

Yea, I know it's not like for like (6300 is a crop), but here are the two cameras I've been using over the past few years for similar shots.

I think the Sony has yielded pics (almost) as good as the Nikon, and more to the point, they have both earned me the same money.

Not sure what would you take with you, but I know what I do! ;0) (The Sony fits in my coat pocket... and it's the camera you have with you...).

Edited by GetCarter on Friday 17th August 16:11

[Andy M]

Here's another video comparison:

Sony A7iii vs Fujifilm X-H1: https://youtu.be/2oqDfsxCcjE

[Simpo Two]

Mr Carter's photo brings up another point, and I believe it as true now as it was when I was producing corporate video in the 1990s.

Punters like size. If they're paying good money for a professional videographer or photographer, they expect to see a big camera. Bigger that theirs. We'd go to a video shoot with a camera that wasn't actually state of the art (Hi-Band U-matic) but it was big. Customers would say 'Wow that's a big camera' - and that was credibility established. Roll forward 20 years to the wedding stills market: 'Wow that's a big camera, I bet that was expensive'. Bingo. Yes you have to be able to work it, but point is - there are times when size matters

[singlecoil]

Simpo Two said:

Mr Carter's photo brings up another point, and I believe it as true now as it was when I was producing corporate video in the 1990s.

Punters like size. If they're paying good money for a professional videographer or photographer, they expect to see a big camera. Bigger that theirs. We'd go to a video shoot with a camera that wasn't actually state of the art (Hi-Band U-matic) but it was big. Customers would say 'Wow that's a big camera' - and that was credibility established. Roll forward 20 years to the wedding stills market: 'Wow that's a big camera, I bet that was expensive'. Bingo. Yes you have to be able to work it, but point is - there are times when size matters

Scott Kelby makes the point in one of his videos that when customers come to a professional photographer's studio, that's the time for him to get all his gear out even if he doesn't need half of it

[Phunk]

Not always the case, we shoot the majority of our videos on DSLR’s for big billion dollar company’s.

One time we turned up with a larger camera (a Sony FS7) for a shoot with a regular client they asked us ‘what that old thing was’

[TheRainMaker]

Phunk said:

Not always the case, we shoot the majority of our videos on DSLR’s for big billion dollar companies.

One time we turned up with a larger camera (a Sony FS7) for a shoot with a regular client they asked us ‘what that old thing was’

Was going to say the same, largest camera that seems to be used for corporate video these days is an FS7 or similar, which compared to the days of old is tiny, then the rest is shot on Sony A stuff or a Canon D5 of some sort, normally with a gimbal.

As for event photography, I'm seeing more and more people using Fuji and Sony mirrorless, one of the big reasons is the silent shutter, and funnily enough the size, people seem more relaxed when they see someone with a smaller camera rather than a massive D850 with a 70-200 stuck on it.

Using a Mirrorless for a whole day would get tiring on something like an a7 or the GFX due to its small size, however, when camera companies make a larger body, DSLR style cameras will go, there are too many advantages to mirrorless.

I find it massively frustrating picking up a DSLR now.

[Simpo Two]

Phunk said:

Not always the case, we shoot the majority of our videos on DSLR’s for big billion dollar company’s.

One time we turned up with a larger camera (a Sony FS7) for a shoot with a regular client they asked us ‘what that old thing was’

Yes and no; it depends how tech-savvy your client is. I was recently in a Sainsbury's TV commercial. That crew didn't use DSLRs; their main camera was about two feet long!

[Luca Brazzi]

Long time since posting.
Interesting thread. I have masses of Canon L lenses around the 1Dmk4...still enjoy shooting...but having read this thread and other stuff around the Sony A7R III, it looks a great step on from my Canon.

Is it possible to retain full use of my lenses with the Sony using an adapter?

I know there are equivalent Sony lenses, but the resale value of mine and the high prices of the Sony 2.8's would suggest it sensible to keep my existing lenses, and accessories.

Any other considerations?

Cheers
Luca

[singlecoil]

Luca Brazzi said:

Long time since posting.
Interesting thread. I have masses of Canon L lenses around the 1Dmk4...still enjoy shooting...but having read this thread and other stuff around the Sony A7R III, it looks a great step on from my Canon.

Is it possible to retain full use of my lenses with the Sony using an adapter?

I know there are equivalent Sony lenses, but the resale value of mine and the high prices of the Sony 2.8's would suggest it sensible to keep my existing lenses, and accessories.

Any other considerations?

Cheers
Luca

I've tried my L lenses with a Sony A9 and the Metabones MkV adapter. They work but not as well as native lenses. I suggest you do what I am doing and wait until the much rumoured Canon full frame mirrorless is announced, very likely this autumn.

[satans worm]

I’d go as far as to say consider selling all your DSLR lenses.
Right now they are worth money as the market is strong, in 3 or 4 years time once canon and Nikon have released their 2 nd version of a mirrorless I think the flood gates to change will be open and no one will be buying the lenses any longer.
Which means either stick to DSLR and clean up on top quality cheap glass, or rid now while glass still demands good money

Just a thought

[singlecoil]

When Canon do bring out a mirrorless FF camera for sure they will also produce an adapter for their current lenses. As all three items will be Canon they will work perfectly.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Simpo Two said:

Phunk said:

Not always the case, we shoot the majority of our videos on DSLR’s for big billion dollar company’s.

One time we turned up with a larger camera (a Sony FS7) for a shoot with a regular client they asked us ‘what that old thing was’

Yes and no; it depends how tech-savvy your client is. I was recently in a Sainsbury's TV commercial. That crew didn't use DSLRs; their main camera was about two feet long!

Just get one of these and you can use your phone next time:



https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cinematicsmar...

[satans worm]

I’d go as far as to say consider selling all your DSLR lenses.
Right now they are worth money as the market is strong, in 3 or 4 years time once canon and Nikon have released their 2 nd version of a mirrorless I think the flood gates to change will be open and no one will be buying the lenses any longer.
Which means either stick to DSLR and clean up on top quality cheap glass, or rid now while glass still demands good money

Just a thought

[Heres Johnny]

I'm sure I heard (or heard a rumour) Nikon were bringing a new mount out for their Mirrorless - and while there might be converters etc I'm sure they'll not be as good as native lens. That being the case, if you're changing, then change for one that takes your fancy and don't be worried about lens retention. But then I'd also wait until the reviews are out for the new Nikon cameras.

The D500 is top of the crop so any change is going to be relatively marginal or more likely influenced by any new lens you buy. I went D850 with a Tamron F2.8 zoom after labouring over this decision, moving from a D7000 and I'm more than happy.

[Luca Brazzi]

Thanks all...excellent replies. Now looking at a nice Canon Powershot for a new compact and wait for the new Canon Mirrorless to appear.

Having said that...what is the best Compact around at present, in your wise experience?

[singlecoil]

My wife has a Canon G9X and it's a good camera. There's a mark 2 out now. A lot depends on how small you want it to be.