Apologies, another "What Camera"

Apologies, another "What Camera"

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Davie_GLA

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6,521 posts

199 months

Saturday 15th May 2021
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Evening all, apologies for yet another but looking for some advice.

I've has a few cameras over the years from point and shoot to DSLR (EOS400D). I currently have a fuji Finepix which is OK and does most things but battery life isn't great and it's getting on a bit.

With a budget of up to £900, with the lower the better; I'm after something that will do well with taking photos of my daughter on her horse - so reasonably fast with decent zoom, say 200mm to 300mm range. Not against a DSLR but would rather not be carrying multiple lenses around if I can avoid it.

I had my eyes on a Nikon Coolpix 950 or 1000 but they look to me over-marketed with mega-zoom capabilities and I think I'd get bored with taking photos of the moon rather quickly.

Not against going used either but would rather buy from a vendor with at least some sort of warranty rather than privately.


littleredrooster

5,537 posts

196 months

Saturday 15th May 2021
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Sony RX100 vi onwards. Small, light, pocketable, fast -ish lens, good zoom - not quite at the top of your range but image quality so good it could easily be cropped to suit. Love mine.

Davie_GLA

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6,521 posts

199 months

Saturday 15th May 2021
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Thanks, i forgot about the RX range. Can't find the vi on amazon though but will keep hunting.

Davie_GLA

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199 months

Saturday 15th May 2021
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What about this? It's a bundle so I'm sure I'm looking at a load of stuff that is adding to that price but the 4000d gets decent reviews and "only" 3 lenses to carry around..

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-18-55MM-3-5-5-6-7...

ETA: I found a youtube review where is said it was only £250 new in Feb 2018 with a kit lens so the above does seem like a lot of unneeded stuff apart from the lenses.

Edited by Davie_GLA on Saturday 15th May 23:18

DibblyDobbler

11,271 posts

197 months

Sunday 16th May 2021
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I'm a big fan of the RX10iii or RX10iv - you could get a second hand one for well under budget and they are a brilliant all in one solution smile

FunkyGibbon

3,781 posts

264 months

Sunday 16th May 2021
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For me, specifications and brand are secondary considerations.

For me the primary features are the feel of the camera in the hand and the ergonomics of the million of buttons/features.

So for those reasons IMO it is best to go and handle the devices in a shop (wex, Jessops, currys etc).

I went to a store convinced I was buying a certain model, but when I actually held the device against others I had not really considered I walked away with something completely different, but it suited me and what I like to shoot.

Stores will also meet or beat online prices.

Good luck with your search and have fun.


Steve Campbell

2,132 posts

168 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Am also interested in this. I am not an avid photographer but do enjoy playing, and my son enjoys wildlife photography now and again.

We currently share an older Nikon D40X with a 300mm lens and the bog standard 50m lens that came with it, along with some macro rings for close up work......but would really like to move to something that doesn't involve carting around lenses and bags and is more point and shoot. He has particular found the 300mm lens limiting when he's trying to shoot birds or local wildlife (he's been seen trying to creep around the local fields at dusk trying to get shots of local deer but hasn't managed to get anywhere near close enough :-))

The Nikon P950 really seems to tick the boxes, though I'm sure the purists might have something to say about that :-) .... anyone use one as an amateur and can comment. It seems to have all the things we want : Image quality is fine for us amateurs, the superzoom will really help in terms of wildlife and seems pretty good close up, all in a point and shoot format that will be just fine for holiday snaps when we are out and about aswell. I also weighed the current D40X with 300m lens and it's 25% heavier than the P950 and size not that much different.

What am I missing ?

Also, stock seems low. Anyone use CameraWorld for online purchase ? Reputable supplier ?

JonChalk

6,469 posts

110 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
I'm a big fan of the RX10iii or RX10iv - you could get a second hand one for well under budget and they are a brilliant all in one solution smile
Agreed, as an alternative to lugging loads of lenses around they are incomparable. There’s not a photography day goes by that I regret the decision to ditch my DSLRs and get an M4 version.

Davie_GLA

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6,521 posts

199 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Steve Campbell said:
Am also interested in this. I am not an avid photographer but do enjoy playing, and my son enjoys wildlife photography now and again.

We currently share an older Nikon D40X with a 300mm lens and the bog standard 50m lens that came with it, along with some macro rings for close up work......but would really like to move to something that doesn't involve carting around lenses and bags and is more point and shoot. He has particular found the 300mm lens limiting when he's trying to shoot birds or local wildlife (he's been seen trying to creep around the local fields at dusk trying to get shots of local deer but hasn't managed to get anywhere near close enough :-))

The Nikon P950 really seems to tick the boxes, though I'm sure the purists might have something to say about that :-) .... anyone use one as an amateur and can comment. It seems to have all the things we want : Image quality is fine for us amateurs, the superzoom will really help in terms of wildlife and seems pretty good close up, all in a point and shoot format that will be just fine for holiday snaps when we are out and about aswell. I also weighed the current D40X with 300m lens and it's 25% heavier than the P950 and size not that much different.

What am I missing ?

Also, stock seems low. Anyone use CameraWorld for online purchase ? Reputable supplier ?
Thanks. I think we are on the same page and I'm still hovering over the 950. Like you say though there isn't a great deal of stock.

The weight difference will 100% be down to body construction and "real" glass in the lens. And metal mountings.

DibblyDobbler

11,271 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Steve Campbell said:
What am I missing ?
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...

Davie_GLA

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199 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...
This is the reason I haven't bought the 950. Sensor size really does matter but I need to do more research to see how it would fare tracking a horse and rider at canter speeds and above with jumps. Moon on a stick I know.

Does the rx10iv allow lense swappage?

arfur

3,871 posts

214 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Davie_GLA said:
Evening all, apologies for yet another but looking for some advice.

I've has a few cameras over the years from point and shoot to DSLR (EOS400D). I currently have a fuji Finepix which is OK and does most things but battery life isn't great and it's getting on a bit.

With a budget of up to £900, with the lower the better; I'm after something that will do well with taking photos of my daughter on her horse - so reasonably fast with decent zoom, say 200mm to 300mm range. Not against a DSLR but would rather not be carrying multiple lenses around if I can avoid it.

I had my eyes on a Nikon Coolpix 950 or 1000 but they look to me over-marketed with mega-zoom capabilities and I think I'd get bored with taking photos of the moon rather quickly.

Not against going used either but would rather buy from a vendor with at least some sort of warranty rather than privately.
I just sold my 200D with a couple of lenses and bought the Nikon P1000 ...

Yes it takes great moon shots (on a tripod)

Yes it also does everything else really well as well.

SO far very impressed with it !

Note it's also bloody heavy around your neck though

hth

Steve Campbell

2,132 posts

168 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
Steve Campbell said:
What am I missing ?
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...
OK thanks....but could you explain the "so what" element. Given I'm looking for something that can get me or my son "closer" to the subject, how is the sensor size going to help ? What are the real world implications ? Also seems that the camera referenced is twice the price. I have no intention of buying 2nd hand as I have no idea really when it comes to cameras so will be looking for the comfort of manufacturer warranties etc.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I said I'm not that into photography !

Edited by Steve Campbell on Tuesday 18th May 13:14

FunkyGibbon

3,781 posts

264 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...
Good article on sensor sizes here:

https://newatlas.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/2668...

I shoot MFT 4/3 and for me the higher crop ratio suits my style.

Your mileage may vary.

Is the RX10iv worth twice the price the P950... maybe, it is certainly a higher spec camera, but...

The main things is that the only bad camera (mostly) is no camera at all. So go with what suits you within your budget as more money will (almost always) get better kit (subject to law of diminishing returns, and your definition of better).

In the budget range of the Nikon is the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000 II - same sensor size as the Sony. Maybe worth a look.

As I said above, go to a physical store and hold them, as ergonomics is (IMHO) more important than absolute technical specs.


Edited by FunkyGibbon on Tuesday 18th May 16:08

DibblyDobbler

11,271 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Steve Campbell said:
DibblyDobbler said:
Steve Campbell said:
What am I missing ?
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...
OK thanks....but could you explain the "so what" element. Given I'm looking for something that can get me or my son "closer" to the subject, how is the sensor size going to help ? What are the real world implications ? Also seems that the camera referenced is twice the price. I have no intention of buying 2nd hand as I have no idea really when it comes to cameras so will be looking for the comfort of manufacturer warranties etc.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I said I'm not that into photography !
It's not a dumb question at all - basically you get more resolution with a bigger sensor and generally better dynamic range. If you're not that into photography this is probably not a big concern so suggest you just crack on (you'll still get pictures which will be a lot better than a phone camera).

DibblyDobbler

11,271 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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FunkyGibbon said:
I shoot MFT 4/3 and for me the higher crop ratio suits my style.
Well quite - exactly why I use the RX10! A 600mm lens for my A7Rii would be rather expensive and very heavy... and probably not get used hehe

JonChalk

6,469 posts

110 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
FunkyGibbon said:
I shoot MFT 4/3 and for me the higher crop ratio suits my style.
Well quite - exactly why I use the RX10! A 600mm lens for my A7Rii would be rather expensive and very heavy... and probably not get used hehe
£1600 and 2kg!

Could get 2 RX10s for that money and weight wink

FunkyGibbon

3,781 posts

264 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
Well quite - exactly why I use the RX10! A 600mm lens for my A7Rii would be rather expensive and very heavy... and probably not get used hehe
yeshehe

Steve Campbell

2,132 posts

168 months

Tuesday 18th May 2021
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DibblyDobbler said:
Steve Campbell said:
DibblyDobbler said:
Steve Campbell said:
What am I missing ?
Well the sensor on the P950 is about a quarter of the size of that on the RX10iv...
OK thanks....but could you explain the "so what" element. Given I'm looking for something that can get me or my son "closer" to the subject, how is the sensor size going to help ? What are the real world implications ? Also seems that the camera referenced is twice the price. I have no intention of buying 2nd hand as I have no idea really when it comes to cameras so will be looking for the comfort of manufacturer warranties etc.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I said I'm not that into photography !
It's not a dumb question at all - basically you get more resolution with a bigger sensor and generally better dynamic range. If you're not that into photography this is probably not a big concern so suggest you just crack on (you'll still get pictures which will be a lot better than a phone camera).
OK cheers. Just reading around the subject it seems that pixel density is also important ? As the one you referred is 4* bigger but older so we are talking 16 v 20 resolution ? Not sure what dynamic range is so probably best I bow out LOL. I’ve always been happy with the D40X and it’s well over 10 years old so I expect the P950 will be noticeably better for me anyway in terms of picture quality.
Thanks for the insights.

Daveb257

998 posts

139 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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What about a Leica C-LUX?
20mp, touch screen, 360mm equiv zoom and it looks & feels lovely and the phone app is great
https://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Ca...