S1 cooler on the fuel return

S1 cooler on the fuel return

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AlfaSpider

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213 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Hi
I’m in the process of stripping down the car and noticed the mocal style oil cooler on the fuel return line to the tank. Does anyone know if these were standard on the S1? And in a cooler climate is it really necessary.
I’d rather do away with it if possible.

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Got a photo?


Have a read of this.......... old post

AlfaSpider

Original Poster:

213 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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AlfaSpider

Original Poster:

213 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Thanks for the link, I’ll try and run without it I can’t see the metering unit getting that hot.

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Give us a clue, is it the black thing on the floor?



Edited by phillpot on Sunday 26th November 22:37

AlfaSpider

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213 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Just behind it!

greymrj

3,316 posts

204 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Never seen that before. There isn't one on my S1 and when I got it the system looked original. Nor can I see one on an old TVR parts list. I wonder if it might have been on export cars?

TVR-Stu

813 posts

199 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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It appears a 'few' of our cars had these, although obviously very rare and probably totally unnecessary. My S3c has one and before the front end refurb I undertook in 2010 it looked exactly like yours including the same protective grill underneath to protect it from potential stone damage.
If I remember correctly someone told me that Cerberas have them as standard but I'm happy to be corrected.
Here is is pic I took at the time of the refurbishment.



OT. Can someone please tell me how to add a larger image to a thread? I used to use Photobucket and clearly haven't got to grips with Thumbsnap!

Edited by TVR-Stu on Monday 27th November 11:51

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

204 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Not something I'd be keen on. A hole in the rad = fuel pi55ing everywhere under pressure yikes

AutoAndy

2,265 posts

215 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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...there you go Joe, hardly any S's have them and perform perfectly without. in fact you will get an improved performance by removing it...weight saving! wink

AlfaSpider

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213 posts

198 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Barkychoc said:
Not something I'd be keen on. A hole in the rad = fuel pi55ing everywhere under pressure yikes
It does seem a bit vulnerable, I’ll try it without. I’d like to know what problems they had that made them think to fit one. If your sat in traffic I can’t see it doing much anyway.

v8s4me

7,240 posts

219 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Surely for a cooler to have any benefit it should be on the pressurised side?

Cooler fuel = denser charge = bigger bang thumbup

Kitchski

6,515 posts

231 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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It's not standard, though there might have been quite a few dealers doing it (or similar) as optional extras, as quite a few of the chassis' I've done have had additional holes drilled in around that area. I've seen fuel coolers and oil coolers, neither of which are actually needed.

WhatamIgettingmyselfinto

64 posts

84 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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My S1 has one fitted on the return side like yours. Registered Nov 1988

zombeh

693 posts

187 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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v8s4me said:
Surely for a cooler to have any benefit it should be on the pressurised side?

Cooler fuel = denser charge = bigger bang thumbup
The most benefit is on the hot side, the fuel is pumped through the fuel rail that's bolted to the hot engine, through the pressure reg then returns back to the tank hot. If you have a large amount of fuel being returned because you'd specced the pump for just in case you stick a bigger engine in, supercharge it and run it on alcohol then you can potentially get a lot of heat in the tank.

If you had a set up with very little/no returned fuel then yeah, you could cool it after the pump but that's not typical in a car from the early 90s.

NZDave

91 posts

250 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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I have once had a fuel vapourising problem with my '87 S1. This was on a long steep hill in very hot conditions and a gradual misfire crept in. This got worse until the thing stopped and wouldn't refire. We finally got it going by turning around and jump starting it while running down hill. I found out about these fuel coolers then but never got around to doing anything about it. I have not had the problem since but have not been in the same conditions either.
Dave

v8s4me

7,240 posts

219 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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I can't see the point of cooling fuel as it is being returned to a tank which sits above a pair of exhaust pipes.


GreenV8S

30,194 posts

284 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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v8s4me said:
I can't see the point of cooling fuel as it is being returned to a tank which sits above a pair of exhaust pipes.
hehe

Kitchski

6,515 posts

231 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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v8s4me said:
I can't see the point of cooling fuel as it is being returned to a tank which sits above a pair of exhaust pipes.
Maybe that's why they thought it needed cooling laugh

tony 69

151 posts

102 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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I have 1 of these's on my s1 its a 88 model so I've refitted it after the rebuild. Not sure if it will do anything but hey ho its on lol