Saving an S1

Saving an S1

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88S1

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715 posts

61 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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VHT anodised paint to rockers. Engine black as that’s what it was originally on mine for some reason. Not all bolted in place yet, but looking much better than in did.



magpies

5,129 posts

182 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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That is what I used - after a couple of years it still looks good biggrinthumbup

88S1

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715 posts

61 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Spent a lot of time on the prep of the covers, block & heads. Hopefully last a good few years.

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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What black paint did you use? Most paints will burn off around the exhaust ports on the cylinder heads after a while.

88S1

Original Poster:

715 posts

61 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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POR15 Engine Enamel. Says it’s good for upto 350 deg F. Let’s hope it does what it says on the Tin.



Edited by 88S1 on Tuesday 11th January 20:25

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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Did you need two tins? laugh

magpies

5,129 posts

182 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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phillpot said:
Did you need two tins? laugh
one black and one silver?

88S1

Original Poster:

715 posts

61 months

Wednesday 12th January 2022
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phillpot said:
Did you need two tins? laugh
Ha ha. Don’t know why it did that.

88S1

Original Poster:

715 posts

61 months

Saturday 22nd January 2022
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Bloody hell. Why is this car fighting me.


88S1

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Sunday 30th January 2022
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What is supposed to hold the valve seals to the shoulder, fitted one but it’s risen off. Looking at all the old ones they are not seated either. Old ones were very hard and brittle, new ones soft rubber.

Picture is one of the originals, clearly see the seal is not on the shoulder. I had pushed the new one on, but after removing spring compressor it’s popped off.






Adrian@

4,308 posts

282 months

Sunday 30th January 2022
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I have the thought in my head that the correct seals are blue/green in colour and smaller on ID (do they fit to the head). A@

88S1

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61 months

Sunday 30th January 2022
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Adrian. They fit over snuggly enough requiring a little push on, I think the spring compressor may have caught the new one trying to get the retainers on, but when I checked all the existing ones they were off the shoulder, hence why I asked the question. It’s tricky trying to get the new one back one with the spring there, I tried to push it down with two screwdrivers but not too successfully and didn’t want to damage the new seal. A smear of high temp RTV sealant will hold them in place I guess.

The existing seals are black and exactly the same as the one I took off. This is an S1 so has the 2.8 engine.

Edited by 88S1 on Sunday 30th January 17:13

Adrian@

4,308 posts

282 months

Sunday 30th January 2022
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Lee, I am surprised I do not have pictures of my 2.8 from when worked on the top end and put in the the new injectors (mine is a 86 280DH). I do have it in my head that all the 280 engines I have worked on have hand the slimline Reinz seals and not the black versions. THe Reinz version has a smaller ID and so fits tighter, but is smaller on the OD. I know that I had to have my Turbo (Essex V6) heads modified to accept the Reinz version (as you say over time the black ones go brittle) and with more attention to how the heads went together shimming valve springs etc. and expecting the heads to be running a little hotter, I did not want that to happen. A@


Edited by Adrian@ on Sunday 30th January 18:59

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Monday 31st January 2022
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These are from a 2.9 top end set, the outer cover is metal.
If you'd like to give these a try drop me your address.

88S1

Original Poster:

715 posts

61 months

Monday 31st January 2022
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phillpot said:
These are from a 2.9 top end set, the outer cover is metal.
If you'd like to give these a try drop me your address.
Interesting, they do look to be an improvement on the original type. I have a new spring compressor coming tomorrow that I think won’t catch the seal when re-installing, let me see if that was the issue and I’ll see how snug the ones I have actually are, wasn’t paying too much attention in the first one I did. Thanks for you help as ever.


phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Monday 31st January 2022
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88S1 said:
I have a new spring compressor coming tomorrow that I think won’t catch the seal when re-installing,
What sort of spring compressor have you been using/going to use?

Have one like this, don't recall ever having "issues" (not that I do much of that stuff these days) wink


88S1

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715 posts

61 months

Monday 31st January 2022
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I did it with the head back on using this tool in first photo, but had to get the legs right to the bottom of the spring as the collet where it connects to the top of the spring is deep and made it really hard to get to the split cotter thingys.

I’ve ordered the one in the second photo, which is open so hopefully will work much better and give better access.

If I was doing it again I would do it with the heads off using the tool you’ve shown. But as they are back on and torqued up etc will give it another shot.




phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Tuesday 1st February 2022
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Ah! no wonder you're having 'issues' frown

88S1

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715 posts

61 months

Tuesday 1st February 2022
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New compressing tool is soooooo much better, took a few minutes to do (packed chamber with polypropylene rope to stop valves dropping if anyone was wondering). Made sure seat was fully cleaned of oil and seals are a good snug press on fit, so it must just have been the previous tool catching it. Happy days.

Would recommend this tool to do the job of you don’t want to remove the heads.



88S1

Original Poster:

715 posts

61 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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All done with new gaskets and seals. Just the alternator to finish, then can fit new clutch, refurbed gearbox then back onto chassis.