V8S misfire/ hesitation

V8S misfire/ hesitation

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Beast Master

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24 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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My V8S has picked up a misfire/ hesitation. It is not always there, but then can be there for the day.

Accelerate and she pulls normally, and then hesitates like I lifted off the throttle and then slapped down the accelerator again, and she pulls like normal. A passenger does be thinking WTF are you doing as their head snaps forward and back!
Here she is running on a constant throttle on the motorway, and I could feel the miss. But then I noticed that the tacho needle jumps forwards and backwards during these misses.
This is on a constant throttle, and the engine's actual rpms are not jumping around. But I can feel the miss. Any ideas of first port of call to check? Electrical issue I would guess.



Edited by Beast Master on Monday 13th March 16:27

Beast Master

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GreenV8S

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Monday 13th March 2023
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That sort of intermittent miss could come from anything affecting the tune. If it tends to happen around cruising speed, a worn throttle pot is a well known cause. That won't cause the tacho to misread though. That could be a distributor pickup / amp / coil problem, or a wiring fault. Have you removed the dreaded yellow connector yet?

Beast Master

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Monday 13th March 2023
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It seems to always be between 2500 to 3500 rpm. Outside of that it seems fine. And some days will be fine, and then others can be worse. If it were leads etc. I would expect it to be across the full rev range. Throttle pot? I'll do some reading on that.
No, I didn't remove the yellow connector. Is there a thread on here to teach me more about that?
Thanks for the reply.

v8s4me

7,240 posts

219 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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I had a similar problem on mine once and it turned out to be a loose HT lead which was intermittently touching the exhaust manifold. When the insulating cover burnt through it would short out on the manifold causing the same problem you describe. Back left in my case, aft the AFM and tricky to see.




GreenV8S

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284 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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Beast Master said:
No, I didn't remove the yellow connector.
There is a big yellow connector inside the steering column cowl which joins the ignition switch to the rest of the loom. By now it's probably a corroded piece of junk. Symptoms include the ignition circuit browning out or momentarily disconnecting.

v8s4me

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219 months

Tuesday 14th March 2023
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My yellow connector looked fine until I pulled it apart....



Even if yours is OK at the moment it will let you down in the future so put it on the "to do list".

Beast Master

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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Thanks! Is there an available good replacement part?

v8s4me

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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I used an Anderson connector but that was massively over engineering the solution. Many long term 'S' owners have used a simple terminal block. There is a type of connector block which pulls apart and can easily handle the current going through that wire if you get one heavy enough. Here's an example CLICK.

Edited by v8s4me on Tuesday 14th March 17:59

v8s4me

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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Here's a suggestion. MALE + FEMALE. These are rated at 16A.
The downside is RS only sell a minimum of 5 of each but with a bit of searching should be able to find something similar in single units.

Beast Master

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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Big thanks!

wild rover

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181 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Check the engine running in the dark,checking for any sparks to earth from the leads. After you are happy all is in order with the ht leads and the wiring to the coil and distributor, check out your afm, remove the cover and clean the interior with alcohol and cotton bud finishing off with a blade of fine emery drawn through the points.

GreenV8S

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284 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Beast Master said:
Thanks! Is there an available good replacement part?
Join the wires together directly. There's no need for a connector in this location.

mentall

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130 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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GreenV8S said:
Join the wires together directly.
Disagree! All the other connections to the steering column are through multiway plugs/sockets.
So taking the column out (a fairly routine job, unfortunately) becomes impossible.

I made up a 5-way block from these : pretty straightforward.



v8s4me

7,240 posts

219 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Those little Andersons are good; I used lots of the small ones when I re-wired the mess behind the dash. They clip together so you can make up a multi-pin connector if required.

Beast Master

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Tuesday 11th April 2023
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Thanks all. I have ordered some Andersons. Is there a knack to getting at the yellow plug, or does the column surround come apart easily?

v8s4me

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Tuesday 11th April 2023
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The two halves of the column cowl come apart quite easily. Getting them back together can be a bit fiddly.
If the wires to the yellow connector are long enough you might not need to remove the cowl but getting it out of the way does help.
When re-fitting the upper part be careful not to overtighten the screw as this can crack the plastic.

phillpot

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183 months

Tuesday 11th April 2023
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If your cowling is covered in leather/vinyl (as it should be on a V8s) the screws are hidden behind slits in the leather. one on the top just forward of the hazard switch and two secure the bottom.

GreenV8S

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284 months

Tuesday 11th April 2023
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mentall said:
Disagree! All the other connections to the steering column are through multiway plugs/sockets.
So taking the column out (a fairly routine job, unfortunately) becomes impossible.
I'd question this being a fairly routine job. Don't remember last time I needed to take the column out, but it wasn't within the last 25 years. If I do need to at some point, I'll cut the wires and install a connector when I refit. It won't be any harder to do then than now. Same goes for the fan override switch, telltale lamp, remote boot release, alarm flashy light and so on.

Beast Master

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24 months

Tuesday 11th April 2023
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Thanks Guys. Yes I was wondering if the leather needed to be cut/ peeled back, so thanks for pointing that out.
To be honest I don't see myself ever taking the steering column out, that would be beyond my space and tinkering I think. But I will fit connectors anyway.