Anyone else concerned about ULEZ

Anyone else concerned about ULEZ

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Younez

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1,057 posts

165 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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I have restaurant in zone 3 which is going to fall under the proposed ulez extension which will be 24/7. We are not that close to a station so nearly all my customers drive here for evening trade. I am worried my business will shut down as clients will not pay a daily charge to get here. In addition my staff will struggle to get in or leave late at night, as they cannot afford to upgrade their cars or pay the daily charge.

I get trying to clean the air, I am an asthma sufferer but think that they should focus on getting their own house in order first i.e. black cabs, mini and uber cabs, buses, trains and improve the road infrastructure in order to keep traffic moving rather than imposing a tax on general public.

Interestingly I was speaking to a salesman at my local Porsche dealership who said should it be implementated, they will be challenging it in the courts.

Edited by Younez on Thursday 22 December 17:04

delta0

2,334 posts

105 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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It will be diesels hit the hardest by this change. Most petrol cars will be unaffected. By the time it comes in nearly all petrol users won't have a problem.

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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I presume you are talking about the extension to the congestion zone, I will be scuppered as well, live 200 metres from the south circular!

delta0

2,334 posts

105 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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It is different from the congestion zone as it is biased against fairly new diesels and old petrols. Euro 5 diesels and euro 3 petrols and before will be affected. I live about a mile south of the a406 but have a Euro 4 petrol. I don't know if this is the case but in congestion charging areas residents get massive reduction in the price. This doesn't help those living outside the zone.

Edited by delta0 on Saturday 31st December 01:41

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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I have a 2004 M3, and the residents outside of the zone don't seem to get much of a look in when it comes to discounts?

//j17

4,471 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Mark300zx said:
I have a 2004 M3, and the residents outside of the zone don't seem to get much of a look in when it comes to discounts?
You don't get a discount if you live outside the zone because, unless you actually want to go in to the zone you can go around it (however much of a ball-ache and however much the additional pollutants you release by having to drive2x the distance). If you live in the zone you're going to have to drive through it to go anywhere, hence the discount.

Younez

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

165 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Mark300zx said:
I have a 2004 M3, and the residents outside of the zone don't seem to get much of a look in when it comes to discounts?
Resident discount to go after 3 year grace period. However any petrol car bar classics before 2006 will have to pay. If extension goes ahead you will also be in the zone.

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Somewhat ridiculous considering I am 200m away from the zone and the road that is meant to ease local congestion is the now the road to avoid due to charging,forcing traffic back onto the local roads again!

tomtom

4,223 posts

229 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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Younez said:
Resident discount to go after 3 year grace period. However any petrol car bar classics before 2006 will have to pay. If extension goes ahead you will also be in the zone.
I thought it was a 3 year exemption for residents?

/resident with cars too old to meet the criteria

2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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I live outside the zone but my sports (kayak) club is about 1/2 a mile inside. It'll cost me £20 a time to go for a paddle. Sure I can cycle in if I want to, although at this time of year a bike ride after 2 hours on the water isn't a great idea. However if I want to load boats or kit for a weekend away, that requires a car and will add £40 per car to every weekend trip. I've recommended to the club that they challenge it.

Residents discount is 90% for those living inside, but as said, will cease after 3 years.

The worst thing is if you look at their figures something like 80-90% of the emissions originate from diesels, 88% is the figure I remember. Only 12% is from private petrol cars, regardless of age. Madness.

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

197 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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According to the ULEZ website it's 'just' the same area as the existing congestion charge zone.
I haven't looked at whether there are any changes to the larger LEZ though, are they intending to include cars in this in future years?

valiant

10,066 posts

159 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-q...

The consultation has recently closed and the results are broadly in favour of extending the zone out towards the north/south circular. Ideally, they want to try and extend it by 2020 but Kahn wants to try and have it in by 2019 if they go ahead, the logistics of this notwithstanding.

Pain in the arse if it goes ahead as I drive in a few times a week to East London before any public transport starts up in the morning and I like my car and am reluctant to change it.

Callughan

6,312 posts

191 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Not impressed and the problem is not may people are aware of this.

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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Callughan said:
Not impressed and the problem is not may people are aware of this.
Completely agree it has hardly received any airtime and if the local residents were aware of this they would go insane!

Younez

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

165 months

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 31st January 2017
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Watching with interest, again I live near the border of the proposed extended zone and own a '03 Petrol 5 Series and a '03 motorbike which I use to commute into the city - something tells me one/both will have to be moved on frown

giggity

846 posts

160 months

Tuesday 31st January 2017
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The value of petrol and diesels in the M25 to drop like stones as a result. Esp if cant go into the North / South circular once extended.

Wonder if it can be legally challenged.

It should apply solely to Bus and Taxi fleet (they are by far the absolute worst) and Pre-DPF Diesels. The situation to then be assessed again after 18 months and then decided if Petrol cars (Euro 3) of which there are many need to go?

In a few years dieselgate will be forgotten about and the war on petrol will begin:

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/file...

Happy reading.

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Wednesday 1st February 2017
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Have to agree the buses and taxis are by far the worst, during the last bus strike air quality levels raised to "good " values, I think car values will be unaffected the market is too flexible to affect prices!

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Wednesday 1st February 2017
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Hurrah. Bring it in. Sick of stty diesels

baldy1926

2,136 posts

199 months

Wednesday 1st February 2017
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CoolHands said:
Hurrah. Bring it in. Sick of stty diesels
Its not just diesels thats the problem