Anyone else concerned about ULEZ
Discussion
2gins said:
Fantastic, now we just need all the outer London boroughs to adopt it to avoid the extra traffic transiting on the N&S circular.
Will that really happen, though? There were all sorts of predictions of armageddon around the edges of the congestion charge zone when it came in and that didn't happen.At one point I lived just outside the western extension and I didn't notice much difference on the boundary road before, during or after.
Actually, one think it did do was to kick start some local investment in shops, cafes and bars. Before the zone came on a lot of people would head down to Ladbroke Grove/Portobello Road/Notting Hill for shopping and eating. Now there's a thriving local ecosystem.
Maybe the ULEZ will have the same effect on the outer boroughs.
2gins said:
Same here with liberal Richmond and Twickenham. Will it really happen, who knows.
We're ok for cafes here!
I can't be prove that the CC kickstarted Kensal Rise - it may also be a result of the gentrification that was going on at the same time.We're ok for cafes here!
But, anecdotally, I stopped using all sorts of shops and services overnight that I'd been using since I moved to the Ladbroke Grove area in 1989 and started looking for their equivalents north of the Harrow Road. And since the CC extension was removed I haven't really gone back.
It's different where you are - it's a perma-gentrifed area :-)
Edited by AC43 on Monday 11th June 13:06
jfire said:
Well I'll be inside the zone come 2021 and having to pay £12.50 to go anywhere despite only just having bought by 9 year old diesel with DPF fitted
I guess you'll probably have upgraded in the next 3 years, anyway. Not ideal but at least you have an excuse to upgrade in a couple of years' time. Hoofy said:
I guess you'll probably have upgraded in the next 3 years, anyway. Not ideal but at least you have an excuse to upgrade in a couple of years' time.
My concern would be that you 'upgrade' your vehicle once more and the 'goalposts' are moved yet again - this happened to a number of the light van users. Buy a 'historic' RFL exempt vehicle - no road tax - no ULEZ, just inner congestion charge, insurance and, of course petrol......jfire said:
Well I'll be inside the zone come 2021 and having to pay £12.50 to go anywhere despite only just having bought by 9 year old diesel with DPF fitted
Unlucky. I was warned about all this by a mate in the trade in Jan last year. I was struggling to find a decent (used) petrol E Class at the time and was beginning to wonder about going over to the dark side. I do low miles and tend to keep my cars for a long time and so once I found out about the ULEZ I realised that the only sensible choice for me would have been to get one of the later Euro VI ones. Which were out of budget.
So I just went for another V8. It's not getting much use as evidenced by the battery running down. But I'm glad I didn't go diesel as that sort of use would have led to the DPF getting clogged and me having to take it for run every now and then just to clear it out.
On a slightly different topic, I've just heard that the A316 junction at Manor Circus is going to stuffed in 2020-2021 by the addition of toucan crossings in place of zebras on all 4 arms of the roundabout, to improve safety for pedestrians who won't wait for the traffic to stop before crossing on the zebras. In total then, 7 sets of signals in little over half a mile on the A316, which will really help with emissions and make everyone's journey through that junction - cars, cycles and pedestrians - longer.
I don't know who is doing the traffic modeling for TFL but they must be putting absolute garbage input data into the simulations because they're certainly getting a load of garbage out.
I don't know who is doing the traffic modeling for TFL but they must be putting absolute garbage input data into the simulations because they're certainly getting a load of garbage out.
This may be a silly question but there seems to be a few knowledgable Londoners in this thread. I live inside the new ULEZ so this isn't a concern until 2021. My garage is about 300m inside the zone, what would be the ruling of wheeling a non compliant motorbike outside of the zone and then riding away?
I dont want to pay £12 for 300m of rubbish road
I dont want to pay £12 for 300m of rubbish road
Appleby said:
This may be a silly question but there seems to be a few knowledgable Londoners in this thread. I live inside the new ULEZ so this isn't a concern until 2021. My garage is about 300m inside the zone, what would be the ruling of wheeling a non compliant motorbike outside of the zone and then riding away?
I dont want to pay £12 for 300m of rubbish road
A difficult one, if it isn't on and polluting then you would imagine exempt. However the wording of the rules is what will matter. And that won't be known till it's done.I dont want to pay £12 for 300m of rubbish road
However will be automated and of camera gets your plate, a fine with be in the post, so cover plate up rather than go through the process.
Has there been any talk of how they are going to actually enforce ULEZ?
Congestion Charge was quite easy, cameras at every junction entering as well as cameras dotted within the zone.
Installing cameras along the North and South Circular boundary would be a huge task, draining resources and money, let alone strategically installing cameras across the whole of London to capture as much traffic as possible?
I agree that Diesel cars are major contributors, but I think targeting lorry's, buses and Taxis would have been more effective. Was walking down Piccadilly the other day and the queue of traffic consisted of Buses, Black Cabs, Prius, Mercedes E/S Classes. Maybe one or 2 private cars.
Think the ULEZ should be reviewed again with representatives from both sides of the argument to discuss the real issue
Congestion Charge was quite easy, cameras at every junction entering as well as cameras dotted within the zone.
Installing cameras along the North and South Circular boundary would be a huge task, draining resources and money, let alone strategically installing cameras across the whole of London to capture as much traffic as possible?
I agree that Diesel cars are major contributors, but I think targeting lorry's, buses and Taxis would have been more effective. Was walking down Piccadilly the other day and the queue of traffic consisted of Buses, Black Cabs, Prius, Mercedes E/S Classes. Maybe one or 2 private cars.
Think the ULEZ should be reviewed again with representatives from both sides of the argument to discuss the real issue
kzh said:
I agree that Diesel cars are major contributors, but I think targeting lorry's, buses and Taxis would have been more effective. Was walking down Piccadilly the other day and the queue of traffic consisted of Buses, Black Cabs, Prius, Mercedes E/S Classes. Maybe one or 2 private cars.
I've just moved out of a rental on a busy road in zone 2. In rush hour in the morning at least 50% of the cars idling in the traffic jam outside were diesels.(a) they stank
(b) the black st they chucked out ended up all over one of our cream-coloured arm chairs.
Seriously unpleasant.
Happy to see them kicked out of zone 2.
Why should I have to put up with all that for someone who's only interested in saving 0.5p a mile?
ZX10R NIN said:
Must be from the busses as most diesels in zone 2 are already Euro6 & they don't throw out black soot. I ride my motorbike into London most days & the worst area is around Piccadilly/Regent St which is mainly busses & taxis.
I'm talking about a residential area with loads of cars on the school run (presumably).The Euro VI diesels seem a lot better but there are loads of much much older ones being used daily out there.
I cycle to work and often get a lung/faceful from an old diesel being booted past me.
I could also smell it when opening my front door. No buses in sight.
Glad I've moved away from a busy main road after that experience.
Although having said that now I have a neighbour on one side with a small fleet of 10+ year old diesels used for endless short journeys. Sigh.
AC43 said:
I'm talking about a residential area with loads of cars on the school run (presumably).
The Euro VI diesels seem a lot better but there are loads of much much older ones being used daily out there.
I cycle to work and often get a lung/faceful from an old diesel being booted past me.
I could also smell it when opening my front door. No buses in sight.
Glad I've moved away from a busy main road after that experience.
Although having said that now I have a neighbour on one side with a small fleet of 10+ year old diesels used for endless short journeys. Sigh.
You seem to be intent in punching your own anecdotal evidence forward in blind disregard of the evidence, it's getting very boring.The Euro VI diesels seem a lot better but there are loads of much much older ones being used daily out there.
I cycle to work and often get a lung/faceful from an old diesel being booted past me.
I could also smell it when opening my front door. No buses in sight.
Glad I've moved away from a busy main road after that experience.
Although having said that now I have a neighbour on one side with a small fleet of 10+ year old diesels used for endless short journeys. Sigh.
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