Anyone else concerned about ULEZ
Discussion
A couple of things to point out here:
1) London's road infrastructure (roads and parking spaces) is inadequate for a city of these dimensions and for the average wealth of its residents.
2) The issues about London are fundamentally two: one, lack of major thoroughfares. With the technology available even 40 years ago, the authorities could have built underground thoroughfares, enabling fluid traffic (East/West to begin with). I'd suppose the priority was given to underground trains even although the network in Central London has not been designed properly.
The other issue is the lack of crossings. This requires major decisions beyond the crossings themselves: One, people most penalised are those living in the South of the river. And this is because of, two, the fact that everything you need is available from somewhere North of the river.
1) London's road infrastructure (roads and parking spaces) is inadequate for a city of these dimensions and for the average wealth of its residents.
2) The issues about London are fundamentally two: one, lack of major thoroughfares. With the technology available even 40 years ago, the authorities could have built underground thoroughfares, enabling fluid traffic (East/West to begin with). I'd suppose the priority was given to underground trains even although the network in Central London has not been designed properly.
The other issue is the lack of crossings. This requires major decisions beyond the crossings themselves: One, people most penalised are those living in the South of the river. And this is because of, two, the fact that everything you need is available from somewhere North of the river.
llanero1969 said:
A couple of things to point out here:
1) London's road infrastructure (roads and parking spaces) is inadequate for a city of these dimensions and for the average wealth of its residents.
2) The issues about London are fundamentally two: one, lack of major thoroughfares. With the technology available even 40 years ago, the authorities could have built underground thoroughfares, enabling fluid traffic (East/West to begin with). I'd suppose the priority was given to underground trains even although the network in Central London has not been designed properly.
The other issue is the lack of crossings. This requires major decisions beyond the crossings themselves: One, people most penalised are those living in the South of the river. And this is because of, two, the fact that everything you need is available from somewhere North of the river.
I do feel like a 60s cabbie talking about having to avoid the Blackwall Tunnel1) London's road infrastructure (roads and parking spaces) is inadequate for a city of these dimensions and for the average wealth of its residents.
2) The issues about London are fundamentally two: one, lack of major thoroughfares. With the technology available even 40 years ago, the authorities could have built underground thoroughfares, enabling fluid traffic (East/West to begin with). I'd suppose the priority was given to underground trains even although the network in Central London has not been designed properly.
The other issue is the lack of crossings. This requires major decisions beyond the crossings themselves: One, people most penalised are those living in the South of the river. And this is because of, two, the fact that everything you need is available from somewhere North of the river.
The push to electric is short sighted when it should instead be to get people on public transport, which has seen little capacity increase in a decade, least of all on the busses which should be replacing the car journeys
Edited by R Mutt on Wednesday 8th January 14:55
I'm not sure how you could increase capacity on buses in London. Some places like Holborn/Strand/Aldwych/Waterloo Bridge the traffic chaos at certain times is already caused by there being too many buses all lining up after each other.
Tube is full to bursting.
Crossrail might ease things if they ever manage to open it.
Tube is full to bursting.
Crossrail might ease things if they ever manage to open it.
kev1974 said:
I'm not sure how you could increase capacity on buses in London. Some places like Holborn/Strand/Aldwych/Waterloo Bridge the traffic chaos at certain times is already caused by there being too many buses all lining up after each other.
Tube is full to bursting.
Crossrail might ease things if they ever manage to open it.
Well no one is building roads for these cars to drive on, just flats to house the drivers so all we're achieving is getting is to closer to maximum capacity.if we're not there already.Tube is full to bursting.
Crossrail might ease things if they ever manage to open it.
The only room for manoeuvre I can see is having people travel outside of peak hours, and we're already in an era of the most varied working hours we've ever seen.
R Mutt said:
I do feel like a 60s cabbie talking about having to avoid the Blackwall Tunnel
The push to electric is short sighted when it should instead be to get people on public transport, which has seen little capacity increase in a decade, least of all on the busses which should be replacing the car journeys
Oh God not buses please. They're cheap enough in London but they are absolute dog sThe push to electric is short sighted when it should instead be to get people on public transport, which has seen little capacity increase in a decade, least of all on the busses which should be replacing the car journeys
Edited by R Mutt on Wednesday 8th January 14:55
t, far and away the least efficient way to get from A to B. Bus lanes gets around the worst of the traffic but the problem really is... They bloody stop all the time! I can cycle from Hounslow to Slough on a heavy old hardtail bike faster than the 81 does it. On the return leg, I pass it before colnbrook and usually catch up the one ahead of it.Those of you upposed to the ULEZ extension, please sign this petition: https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-stop-mayor-kha...
Laurel Green said:
Have signed, not that I expect anything will become of it. Though, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I've done the same, for me it'll come down to the Mayoral elections as Shaun Bailey has already said he won't extend the ULEZ area which means he'll be getting my vote.
Nearly 30 years ago Dyson had the fix.
Wonder what really happened to stop it's introduction.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/inventors-cl...
Wonder what really happened to stop it's introduction.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/inventors-cl...
The government and town planning department have allowed the building of mega office blocks and blocks of flats in London for years.
Poor air quality and congestion is caused by this increased capacity, and it's still going on !!!
Recently there seems to be a push to promote Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester and others, but it's rather too late.
The next generation are looking at other cities to live in because it's too expensive for them.
The answer is to leave London. If you already have a business established, or if your kids are now grown, or you can move your business, or if you can work elsewhere. Etc etc Simply move.
I decided 2 years ago to go, and moved to Dorset. In another 2 years I believe that many others will follow. So I've bought at the right time before prices jump.
I have non of the agro of living in London. I can drive wherever I like, in whatever I like. My property is larger than before with twice the size frontage and garden. My home costs half the amount. Everything else here costs less. I have the same opportunity to earn a living as before. I can spend my free time on a golden sands beach. And everyone or more friendly.
If you don't like what's happening to London, don't spend all your energy trying to change things. YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME !!
Take my advice, focus your energy and resources on moving. You won't regret it because your trying to hang on to something that used to exist but sadly no longer does.
Poor air quality and congestion is caused by this increased capacity, and it's still going on !!!
Recently there seems to be a push to promote Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester and others, but it's rather too late.
The next generation are looking at other cities to live in because it's too expensive for them.
The answer is to leave London. If you already have a business established, or if your kids are now grown, or you can move your business, or if you can work elsewhere. Etc etc Simply move.
I decided 2 years ago to go, and moved to Dorset. In another 2 years I believe that many others will follow. So I've bought at the right time before prices jump.
I have non of the agro of living in London. I can drive wherever I like, in whatever I like. My property is larger than before with twice the size frontage and garden. My home costs half the amount. Everything else here costs less. I have the same opportunity to earn a living as before. I can spend my free time on a golden sands beach. And everyone or more friendly.
If you don't like what's happening to London, don't spend all your energy trying to change things. YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME !!
Take my advice, focus your energy and resources on moving. You won't regret it because your trying to hang on to something that used to exist but sadly no longer does.
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