Anyone else concerned about ULEZ

Anyone else concerned about ULEZ

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CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 16th December 2017
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It’s literally pointless objectioning to any tfl bullst consultation.

I have buses spewing out total st nearly every minute of every day outside my flat on a main road. + the horrendous noise they all make, it’s a joke letting them and black cabs keep running around.

2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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I agree with that

There was a plan to change a perfectly good roundabout near me to a roundabout with toucan crossings on every arm in place of the current zebras, because 3 KSIs in 18 months and cyclists. Objected. Hasn't happened. Report buried. So they do at least go away and think about it, although I expect the weight on emissions will mean as you say it happens regardless

Still, I can't object to it and not say so, given the opportunity.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Haha, but the problem is, it'll be BMW and Audi and the leasing firms raking in all the new PCP money not TfL raking in the fines!

Never before has such an anti car mayor done so much to inflate the profits of the car companies in such a short span of time

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Tax For Londoners isn't here to listen to the public or the reports (that are on their desks) that say remove speed humps/put the limit back up to 30mph/on major trunk raise it to 70mph/open up the cut throughs & reduce the number of traffic lights.

All of which will have more of an affect on traffic & emission levels than the T Charge, but why do that when we can tax people instead & carry on reducing carriageway space (it's been reduced by 1/3 since TFL was put in charge of roads) then complain about the air quality & blame about a certain type of fuel.

The funniest bit is two of the points they measure the air Oxford St & Regent St somewhere hardly any cars go!!!


Callughan

6,312 posts

191 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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I remember when the residents of RBKC protested and C Charge was removed from there. I think once/if people are aware there will be some protests again especially in some areas where there is not much traffic and low incomes? The changes would hurt the pocket of most and again limit the freedom of choice of travel.

Give them an inch and all that..



Edited by Callughan on Sunday 17th December 10:47

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th December 2017
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2gins said:
1. Pay £2 per day until 2022, when you can pay £20 per day

2. Buy a used, compliant car - in 2019, this will be a car not more than 4 years old - what, £10k minimum

3. Lease a new car from April 2019 - if this is new to you, that's £200 per month plus the up front, to own nothing (let's not go there, this is just how I see it)

4. Rely on public transport

5. Move out of London
6. Drive a petrol.

My current car (2010 5.5 petrol is fine). Checked my last one (2005 5.0) and it was fine as well. It's diesels that are the problem.

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th December 2017
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AC43 said:
6. Drive a petrol.

My current car (2010 5.5 petrol is fine). Checked my last one (2005 5.0) and it was fine as well. It's diesels that are the problem.
Petrols get hit too if they don’t meet at least Euro 4 requirements.
I would expect that in coming years they make this more stringent too.

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2018
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Super Slo Mo said:
AC43 said:
6. Drive a petrol.

My current car (2010 5.5 petrol is fine). Checked my last one (2005 5.0) and it was fine as well. It's diesels that are the problem.
Petrols get hit too if they don’t meet at least Euro 4 requirements.
I would expect that in coming years they make this more stringent too.
True; the wife's ancient Clio is only a 1.6 petrol but falls foul as it's pre-Euro IV.

My 5.0 was Euro IV and so is OK.

My 5.5 is Euro V so should be OK for a fair while (it's effectively equivalent to a Euro VI diesel).

I've just got to try to hold onto it until the new 3.0 V6 TT hybrid petrol E's have depreciated enough for me to get one of them.

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2018
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2gins said:
I'm also very surprised there's not more noise about this.
I suspect a lot of people have assumed this is only peak hours like the congestion zone rather than 24/7. It will come as a huge surprise to many.

slk 32

1,486 posts

192 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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It's merely a fig leaf for Khan so he can pretend he's doing something about the illegal levels of air pollution

I get the train into Vauxhall every day and then use a Boris bike to get Hatton Garden (about three miles). In that time I would probably see less than 5 private cars. The biggest polluters are buses by far ( around the Strand / Aldwych you can often get a dozen , all half empty spewing out fumes). Then after that it's the black cabs and then muppet Uber drivers blicking up the roads and causing yet more congestion

If Khan was serious he'd do something about the buses

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Monday 29th January 2018
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slk 32 said:
the illegal levels of air pollution
You mean the level of pollution deemed illegal by the European Union.

Do a bit of digging to see what that's based on. Flimsy evidence at best.

Where are all these 40,000 people who are supposed to die every year from bad air?

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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mybrainhurts said:
Where are all these 40,000 people who are supposed to die every year from bad air?
I heard on LBC (from a green rep of some kind) that the figures for death were extrapolated. Even so, there is still an issue of pollution, so I guess it's something that needs looking at.

2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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mybrainhurts said:
slk 32 said:
the illegal levels of air pollution
You mean the level of pollution deemed illegal by the European Union.

Do a bit of digging to see what that's based on. Flimsy evidence at best.

Where are all these 40,000 people who are supposed to die every year from bad air?
Pushing up the daisies, or course.

I'm currently in Hyderabad. Khan would have an aneurism were he here.

giggity

846 posts

160 months

Saturday 10th February 2018
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Khan is a prick. End of. He’s a clueless dhead.

Fact remains. The buses and the taxis should be subject to this st.

These blanket 20MPH boroughs (Hackney) and Hammersmith & Fulham also wanting to do this too)

Roads like the A40 out of London from Paddington to at least Woodlane could be a national limit, I’ve already seen a car crash on the A40. The average limits means that most are now watching the Speedo and driving at 35-38.

Go outside of London and they have dual carriageways at 60.

Fact is, the A40 Westway has areas with no housing and no pavements. So what’s the deal here?

Open the roads out and congestion will reduce and so will the traffic.

Policing resources are slim however the mayor has requested police attend Warwick Gardens, and other areas to stand aimlessly and point speed guns to send out warning letters.

I’ve spoke to a police officer about it. They were not pleased about it and feel they can be utilised but the mayor decides.

Fact is this mayor is on a power trip anyway...

As things currently stand, I'm the Mayor, not you. It's for me to answer the questions how I answer them.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2018-01-18/can-sadi...
– SAD-DICCCCKKK KHAN, MAYOR OF LONDON

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Sunday 11th February 2018
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giggity said:
These blanket 20MPH boroughs (Hackney)
Anyone stick to it?

2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Arrived in my inbox today, forwarded by a friend:

Zac Goldsmith said:
Dear Resident,

Re: Transport for London Consultation on Improving Air Quality. Please respond by 28th February.

Air pollution levels in London are a disgrace, and we need urgent action to tackle the problem. It is estimated that toxic air contributes to over 40,000 premature deaths a year.

TfL are bringing forward an Ultra-Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ) for Central London in 2019. This will see all vehicles that do not meet emissions standards incurring a daily charge for driving within that zone.

TfL is now consulting on extending the ULEZ up to but not including the North and South Circulars by October 2021.

The problem with this is that as the proposals stand, Richmond Borough will be partially covered by the new zone and Kingston will be excluded entirely. This will create a perverse incentive for more polluting vehicles to drive through our part of London and worsen our air quality.

I am pleased that Richmond Council is calling on the Mayor and TfL to bring forward the introduction of the ULEZ to 2020 and is pressing to ensure that it covers the whole of Greater London.

I am doing the same, and I strongly encourage you to have your say too. You can find more details about the consultation and have your say HERE

Please scroll down to the bottom of the link for the Online Survey in order to respond. The survey closes on 28th February so please have you say soon.

Best wishes,

Zac Goldsmith MP
So, looks like in a couple of years' time it'll be £20 a day to take your non Euro-6 car off the drive, if you live within the M25.

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Only to be expected, really. I'll probably have a hybrid something or other by then as my daily commute car. Shame, as I really enjoy bangernomics (which, ironically, it quite environmentally friendly I would have thought).

Edit: just to confirm, I mean a Lexus hybrid eg GS450H not a fking Prius. biggrin

Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 22 February 23:02

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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2gins said:
So, looks like in a couple of years' time it'll be £20 a day to take your non Euro-6 car off the drive, if you live within the M25.
Goldsmith playing games I would say, his main rival are the Lib Dems hence any green issues are his bandwagon to get onto strategically, will be moving as much left as possible to balance his pro brexit position I would guess.

Local Council elections coming up in some parts of London very soon, so worth asking your councillors on their position on this.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 23 February 16:35

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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2gins said:
So, looks like in a couple of years' time it'll be £20 a day to take your non Euro-6 car off the drive, if you live within the M25.
That letter is only reffering to non-Euro 6 diesels

Euro IV and V petrols are fine.