Define Central London?

Define Central London?

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TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Friday 13th September 2019
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boxedin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You wouldn't say the London Eye or The Globe Theatre are in Central London? I've never heard anyone describe the London Eye as being in south London, even though it's south of the river.
They're both in the area called the South Bank ;-)
I don't class the southbank as south London, but central London. I don't really do south London, but if I walk along the southbank, or meet my son at his office (next to the Shard at London Bridge), it doesn't occur to me that I'm in south London. It's nothing like south London, the people are normal for a start.

I admit that you don't have to venture far from the river to be in south London. About 250m below it and everything changes, suddenly you find yourself in south London, nervous and shaking, looking for a quick route back to the safety blanket of the river.

GOATever

2,651 posts

66 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
You wouldn't say the London Eye or The Globe Theatre are in Central London? I've never heard anyone describe the London Eye as being in south London, even though it's south of the river.
Traditionally speaking, South Bank was always the ‘entertainment’ bit of London, Holborn and ‘the fields’ were where the money ( Lawyers etc ) were. It’s not really changed much, in that respect. However, everybody ( developers, and the ‘funds’ that pay them mainly) have decided that calling an area ‘London’ means that they can rip people off, right royally. That’s life, it sucks, but you can’t hold back the tide.

Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Blib said:
And that ridiculous, antediluvian attitude is one reason why Uber is so popular in London nowadays.

Isn't that right, Frank?
No it really isn’t, Uber are popular because apparently they use more luxurious cars, the serfs who drive them are willing to work for a handful of chicken feed, and they’ll sit outside your house waiting for ever, earning nothing, no meter ticking, while your wife works out which shoes go best with her dress.
And I didn’t even have to Google antediluvian, as along with antidisestablishmentarianism, it was one of my dad’s favourite words.


Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Good for them, didn’t know that.

Blib

43,795 posts

196 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Frank7 said:
No it really isn’t, Uber are popular because apparently they use more luxurious cars, the serfs who drive them are willing to work for a handful of chicken feed, and they’ll sit outside your house waiting for ever, earning nothing, no meter ticking, while your wife works out which shoes go best with her dress.
And I didn’t even have to Google antediluvian, as along with antidisestablishmentarianism, it was one of my dad’s favourite words.
It really, really stings, doesn't it Frank?

Really stings.

yes

Marcellus

7,111 posts

218 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Genuine question - is there an app like the Uber one but for Black Taxis? (ie gives you cost and eta of the cab)

Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Marcellus said:
Genuine question - is there an app like the Uber one but for Black Taxis? (ie gives you cost and eta of the cab)
I don’t know, but I’ve heard that the Gett app ticks all those boxes, Google it and see.

Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Blib said:
It really, really stings, doesn't it Frank?

Really stings.

yes
No Blib, in actual fact it doesn’t, and for me, never did.
When minicabs first hit the street, Black Cabs couldn’t have cared less, they did the stuff that we’d never consider doing.
The Rose and Crown to the Dog and Duck, pub to home, pub to Chinese/Indian take outs, two bob jobs, not interested thanks.
When they got their foot in the door, and began doing station/airport jobs, they became a minor irritant, when Addison Lee got going, they were a major irritant, and once Uber started, the writing was on the wall, writ large.
Once Uber launched properly in 2012, I knew that the game as I knew it, was finished.
A job that guys would kill to get, earning bundles, would soon be reduced to just a job, earning maybe the same as a bus driver, (if you were lucky), and you’d have to put in 10-12 hours per day for it.
I bailed, with no regrets, I’d had my day, memories live longer than dreams rofl

dobly

1,168 posts

158 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Central London:

Starting in the south west clockwise - where Vauxhall bridge meets Millbank travel, north west to Edgware Road tube station, then east-north east on the A501 to Angel, where you head east-south east then south to the Tower, then back to Millbank via Thame Street / Embankment / Abingdon Street.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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This L o n d o n place you talk of, where is it exactly?

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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boxedin said:
I saw Chislehurst being described as South London recently, the house prices must have halved on that news alone!
The property developers seem to love badging their zone 4-6 developments with 'London' in big letters, and I guess it might have been successful in selling whole blocks of flats to foreign investors who'll never visit to find out the truth.

They can get away with it because it is technically true, although there was a story that one developer tried to sell a block of flats in Luton as being in London!

It's an interesting point, though. I wonder if there is anyone who does differentiate enough to effect house prices.

I live half a mile inside the official border of Greater London with Surrey and it makes no difference to me. The only reason I wouldn't move the other side is because it would be too far from the railway station. House prices are the same and council tax is slightly more expensive in Surrey proper.

Johnniem

2,660 posts

222 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Budflicker said:
JIMMYJ4ZZ said:
Although I am still a proponent of the Zone 1/circle line + bit of the southbank hybrid approach, you could use an inner london boroughs versus outer approach per this link:

https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/node/1938

Would make it clear for customers.
Bingo, that seems perfect, just a slight change of wording on the invoice to inner London as opposed to central London and all sorted.

Thank you Pistonheads...beer
Definitely, because many of the inner London boroughs mentioned are far from being central London. People in Catford (Lewisham Borough but very
close to Bromley) would be rather upset at being charged 'central London' rates.

Johnniem

2,660 posts

222 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Frank7 said:
Blib said:
It really, really stings, doesn't it Frank?

Really stings.

yes
No Blib, in actual fact it doesn’t, and for me, never did.
When minicabs first hit the street, Black Cabs couldn’t have cared less, they did the stuff that we’d never consider doing.
The Rose and Crown to the Dog and Duck, pub to home, pub to Chinese/Indian take outs, two bob jobs, not interested thanks.
When they got their foot in the door, and began doing station/airport jobs, they became a minor irritant, when Addison Lee got going, they were a major irritant, and once Uber started, the writing was on the wall, writ large.
Once Uber launched properly in 2012, I knew that the game as I knew it, was finished.
A job that guys would kill to get, earning bundles, would soon be reduced to just a job, earning maybe the same as a bus driver, (if you were lucky), and you’d have to put in 10-12 hours per day for it.
I bailed, with no regrets, I’d had my day, memories live longer than dreams rofl
Frank. Out of interest, wasn't the advent of sat nav the real downer to the black cab trade? Notwithstanding the fact that black cabs can use bus lanes and other can't (I am not sure if AL managed to get that gig too?) there is no real benefit to having 'the knowledge' anymore is there? I use black cabs where I can, for sure, but surely the writing was on the wall not because of Uber but more because of sat nav, Waze and google maps, all of which update travel conditions very very frequently and re-route you, hence making other forms of can as efficient as black cabs.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Just speculation on my part as I am not a black cab driver!

Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Johnniem said:
Frank. Out of interest, wasn't the advent of sat nav the real downer to the black cab trade? Notwithstanding the fact that black cabs can use bus lanes and other can't (I am not sure if AL managed to get that gig too?) there is no real benefit to having 'the knowledge' anymore is there? I use black cabs where I can, for sure, but surely the writing was on the wall not because of Uber but more because of sat nav, Waze and google maps, all of which update travel conditions very very frequently and re-route you, hence making other forms of can as efficient as black cabs.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Just speculation on my part as I am not a black cab driver!
They must have had some affect Johnnie, I’ve never had one, my wife’s car has one, but I’ve never used it, and wouldn’t know how to to be honest.
I don’t think that the early ones bothered Black Cab drivers, as back then, as I understood it, (and I may be wrong), you had to input the post code, and if you didn’t know it, you had to faff around Googling it to find out.
e.g., if I was hailed in Cromwell Rd. Kensington, and the job wanted Rags Club, I’d go up Queensgate, or Exhibition Rd, into Hyde Park, along South Carriage Drive, up Park Lane, r at Stanhope Gate, r into Park Lane, l into Curzon St., then l into Chesterfield St, and the club was on the right, (I think!).
If a minicab was asked to take someone there, he’d hardly know the post code, and would have look for it, but maybe the newer SatNavs will do that for you, or use a Smart phone, so yes, not so much need for the Knowledge now.
I’m out now, so I’m not bothered, but I feel bad for guys still at it.

Fleckers

2,851 posts

200 months

Sunday 31st January 2021
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Well if the loony mayor gets his way any London boghorror will be a charging zone

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/15/sa...


kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Monday 1st February 2021
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Fleckers said:
Well if the loony mayor gets his way any London boghorror will be a charging zone

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/15/sa...
It does seem a very strange policy to implement, especially at the moment. Town centres have been dying for years, then Covid cam along to speed things up, and now the ones in outer London would lose a lot of footfall because of this.

Kingston is the 'local' shopping and entertainment centre of a lot of north Surrey and I don't think that a lot of people need many more reasons to shop online more often. A £5.50 tax on top of the parking costs and other hassle might just be enough. I'm sure its the same of all of the other major commercial centres in the outer zones.