Need help with Phev cars
Discussion
I'm thinking of getting a Misubishi Outlander Phev - say 2015 reg, that fits in my budget of around £12,000.
Charging point outside house?
This costs £500 to install - I know someone who is getting one installed.
Do I need one?
Otherwise, how does one have a cable dangling outside of the house every night?
Consider having an outside electric point?
Would that be an opportunity for someone to steal the cable??
Actually... would it be an opportunity for someone to steal cables either way??
MPG - this is quoted as something like 150MPG.
We'll only ever do local travel.
It does something like 28 miles on electricity.
So... if we do JUST local driving and charging from home... what is the cost of the fuel?
Let's say we drive 25 miles a day (most days much less).
I don't think we'd have the opportunity to charge outside... but if we did, how does the topping up system work? How do you pay?
Thanks.
Charging point outside house?
This costs £500 to install - I know someone who is getting one installed.
Do I need one?
Otherwise, how does one have a cable dangling outside of the house every night?
Consider having an outside electric point?
Would that be an opportunity for someone to steal the cable??
Actually... would it be an opportunity for someone to steal cables either way??
MPG - this is quoted as something like 150MPG.
We'll only ever do local travel.
It does something like 28 miles on electricity.
So... if we do JUST local driving and charging from home... what is the cost of the fuel?
Let's say we drive 25 miles a day (most days much less).
I don't think we'd have the opportunity to charge outside... but if we did, how does the topping up system work? How do you pay?
Thanks.
Head over to SpeakEV forums for advice.
In short, if you have off street parking then you can pay a fee hundred pound for a EV special charger, this should also future proof you for an EV.
But for an Outlander you could get away with a well installed outdoor 3-pin socket to charge the battery overnight easily. That wouldn't cost more than a hundred quid for an electrician to wire.
When out and about, probably not worth charging too often. But the Outlander's party trick is the Chademo rapid charger, so if you can find one on free vend (i.e. billing not working) at a service station then a cheeky 20 minute charge would be a free gallon.
They're not very efficient once running on just petrol, so I would suggest keeping it topped up wherever you can, but also not to stress about it as you have an engine!
In short, if you have off street parking then you can pay a fee hundred pound for a EV special charger, this should also future proof you for an EV.
But for an Outlander you could get away with a well installed outdoor 3-pin socket to charge the battery overnight easily. That wouldn't cost more than a hundred quid for an electrician to wire.
When out and about, probably not worth charging too often. But the Outlander's party trick is the Chademo rapid charger, so if you can find one on free vend (i.e. billing not working) at a service station then a cheeky 20 minute charge would be a free gallon.
They're not very efficient once running on just petrol, so I would suggest keeping it topped up wherever you can, but also not to stress about it as you have an engine!
Don’t do it 
Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my diesel Outback
I had a charger put outside my house by Chargemaster (was free when I bought the car but £500 sounds about right) and also had the benefit of a charging point at work.
You can also join Polar network to charge in various car parks, there’s another network as well but can’t remember what that‘s called. Unfortunately they’re not joined up and gets even worse if travel across Europe.
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my diesel Outback
I had a charger put outside my house by Chargemaster (was free when I bought the car but £500 sounds about right) and also had the benefit of a charging point at work.
You can also join Polar network to charge in various car parks, there’s another network as well but can’t remember what that‘s called. Unfortunately they’re not joined up and gets even worse if travel across Europe.
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
Edited by foliedouce on Wednesday 8th April 10:10
foliedouce said:
Don’t do it
Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my disease Outback
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
You bought the wrong car then.Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my disease Outback
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
Evanivitch said:
foliedouce said:
Don’t do it
Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my disease Outback
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
You bought the wrong car then.Seriously I had one and they are nowhere near as economical as the numbers suggest. They are a good size and the one I had was well equipped but they don’t live up to the hype.
I had a 24 mile each way journey to work and the battery never got me there unless I drove like Miss Daisy and even then when the weather was cold It wouldn’t reach.
Any journey over 50ish miles meant the battery went and the hybrid bit don’t work so you were on petrol only getting sub 30 mpg at anything over 70mph.
I drove it down to the Alps once, massive mistake and would have been much cheaper in my disease Outback
I’m sure others will be along with more positive experiences
Evanivitch said:
foliedouce said:
Exactly my point!
But OP does about 25 miles a day...My point is, the marketing spin does not represent real world use.
foliedouce said:
And as I said, I did 24 miles between charges as well. It only just covered that on electric only if you drove very slowly and in the winter it struggled even then. I had the car from new so I suspect the battery will degrade overtime
My point is, the marketing spin does not represent real world use.
It's not marketing spin, it's the same standardised and mandated test that you have for fuel efficiency. The manufacturer isn't supposed to quote any different.My point is, the marketing spin does not represent real world use.
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