Clean Air Zones – seems unfair
Discussion
Portsmouth is considering introducing a clean air zone into the city meaning that it would cost £8 for older cars to drive on the island.
Article here: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/portsmo...
(there is also a follow up article saying it is highly likely)
I have a bit of a problem with this. I drive a 2005 petrol car, a car I imported and paid hard earned money for. A car that I look after meticulously, meaning its serviced a lot more regularly than your average car, and therefore emissions-wise I keep it as healthy as I possibly can.
It's also a car that I don't like to put unnecessary miles on, therefore I cycle to work most days, and go out of my way to use my bike or walk if it means I don't put miles on my car or lose my parking space. I often go 3 or 4 days without using it.
With all that in mind, if this new scheme come's into affect, I'd be looking at an £8 charge per day that I decide to start her up and drive out of my parking space? I live on Portsea Island and therefore there's no way that I could 'avoid' the zone, the car parks within it! Seems a bit unfair to me…
Article here: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/portsmo...
(there is also a follow up article saying it is highly likely)
I have a bit of a problem with this. I drive a 2005 petrol car, a car I imported and paid hard earned money for. A car that I look after meticulously, meaning its serviced a lot more regularly than your average car, and therefore emissions-wise I keep it as healthy as I possibly can.
It's also a car that I don't like to put unnecessary miles on, therefore I cycle to work most days, and go out of my way to use my bike or walk if it means I don't put miles on my car or lose my parking space. I often go 3 or 4 days without using it.
With all that in mind, if this new scheme come's into affect, I'd be looking at an £8 charge per day that I decide to start her up and drive out of my parking space? I live on Portsea Island and therefore there's no way that I could 'avoid' the zone, the car parks within it! Seems a bit unfair to me…
Are the parking references just a comment on the state of parking in the city? Or am I missing something? 
To be honest, I leave work at 5pm and rarely have a problem with parking, although later at night it can be a pain in the arse. There's a couple of roads about a 5 min walk from me that always have spaces though, so I'll normally do the normally loop around my road and if nothing then just drive down the road and walk back.
The mrs on the other hand plans her whole life around whether or not she'll get a space when she gets back
To be honest, I leave work at 5pm and rarely have a problem with parking, although later at night it can be a pain in the arse. There's a couple of roads about a 5 min walk from me that always have spaces though, so I'll normally do the normally loop around my road and if nothing then just drive down the road and walk back.
The mrs on the other hand plans her whole life around whether or not she'll get a space when she gets back
The problem with all of this is the current PCC have published their pollution paper which shows that the main pollutant is central heating and background pollution from outside the city. The next big pollutant from memory was commercial transport and the commercial ferry port (no research has been done on the impact of the naval dockyard) then finally us motorists.
Now I’d happily put some money on the main cause of pollution being the harbour, commercial ships and warships sitting with engines running, then there’s the staff. The dockyard employs thousands who drive in, when I finish work in the morning the majority of traffic is going into the dockyard and port.
Then you have all the commuters and lorries on the cross channel ferry driving into the city.
I have mentioned this to councillors but it falls on deaf ears as the Lib Dem’s in Portsmouth hate the motorist.
Now I’d happily put some money on the main cause of pollution being the harbour, commercial ships and warships sitting with engines running, then there’s the staff. The dockyard employs thousands who drive in, when I finish work in the morning the majority of traffic is going into the dockyard and port.
Then you have all the commuters and lorries on the cross channel ferry driving into the city.
I have mentioned this to councillors but it falls on deaf ears as the Lib Dem’s in Portsmouth hate the motorist.
ecsrobin said:
The problem with all of this is the current PCC have published their pollution paper which shows that the main pollutant is central heating and background pollution from outside the city. The next big pollutant from memory was commercial transport and the commercial ferry port (no research has been done on the impact of the naval dockyard) then finally us motorists.
Now I’d happily put some money on the main cause of pollution being the harbour, commercial ships and warships sitting with engines running, then there’s the staff. The dockyard employs thousands who drive in, when I finish work in the morning the majority of traffic is going into the dockyard and port.
Then you have all the commuters and lorries on the cross channel ferry driving into the city.
I have mentioned this to councillors but it falls on deaf ears as the Lib Dem’s in Portsmouth hate the motorist.
Your arguments are correct but sadly the council will only view it as a means of raising revenue and using the anti pollution argument to justify it . I wonder if they had thought of charging £500 every time a ferry or naval boat docks, far easier to enforce. Sadly the navy can’t be taxed and ferry companies could use other ports , the local people have no choice so an easier target Now I’d happily put some money on the main cause of pollution being the harbour, commercial ships and warships sitting with engines running, then there’s the staff. The dockyard employs thousands who drive in, when I finish work in the morning the majority of traffic is going into the dockyard and port.
Then you have all the commuters and lorries on the cross channel ferry driving into the city.
I have mentioned this to councillors but it falls on deaf ears as the Lib Dem’s in Portsmouth hate the motorist.
Heres your chance to have your say. i have links with the Economic growth team and they sent me this survey today.
https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
Lovey1 said:
Heres your chance to have your say. i have links with the Economic growth team and they sent me this survey today.
https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
Thanks, this got circulated round my work last week so I filled it out then.https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
What did strike me though is that pretty much all of the possible answers go in their favour:
'I'll pay the charge' – great, income.
'I won't make the journey' – great, less pollution.
No options to move out of the city and/or take my business elsewhere. Which is what I will seriously be considering doing if this come's into full affect in the way they make out.
Kewy said:
Lovey1 said:
Heres your chance to have your say. i have links with the Economic growth team and they sent me this survey today.
https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
Thanks, this got circulated round my work last week so I filled it out then.https://www.research.net/r/CAZconsultation
What did strike me though is that pretty much all of the possible answers go in their favour:
'I'll pay the charge' – great, income.
'I won't make the journey' – great, less pollution.
No options to move out of the city and/or take my business elsewhere. Which is what I will seriously be considering doing if this come's into full affect in the way they make out.
ecsrobin said:
Reading a lot of the comments on the news story everyone was saying this that it was a win win to whoever wrote the survey.
Yeh it's a joke mate, very carefully written I think.I guess time will tell, but if this happens and it's a blanket fine for any pre-2006 petrol cars to drive on the island, then my house will be going on the market immediately. I could do with a bit more space and a driveway anyway, or just a parking space in general
Kewy said:
Yeh it's a joke mate, very carefully written I think.
I guess time will tell, but if this happens and it's a blanket fine for any pre-2006 petrol cars to drive on the island, then my house will be going on the market immediately. I could do with a bit more space and a driveway anyway, or just a parking space in general
Whilst both cars are post-2006 we’re currently looking to buy and we were happy to make sacrifices to stay on the island however this constant campaign against the motorist from PCC I think is sealing the deal for us. I guess time will tell, but if this happens and it's a blanket fine for any pre-2006 petrol cars to drive on the island, then my house will be going on the market immediately. I could do with a bit more space and a driveway anyway, or just a parking space in general
ecsrobin said:
Whilst both cars are post-2006 we’re currently looking to buy and we were happy to make sacrifices to stay on the island however this constant campaign against the motorist from PCC I think is sealing the deal for us.
I believe its pre-2011 for diesel cars, 2006 for petrol. The o/h has a newer diesel so that no problem, but I'm not finished with 90s and 00ies race cars just yet! 
If I was buying again now, I'd be looking for somewhere off the island with a drive or garage I think, thats with or without this clean air charge.
So much for BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) giving up on the idea! Bath Clean Air Zone comes into effect on March 15 2021
Map and rates can be found on the website...
https://beta.bathnes.gov.uk/bath-clean-air-zone
If I want to drive my 2012 Astravan 1.7cdti (euro 4 I think) into the center it will cost me £9 a day, so looks like I will drive into the center in my V8 petrol as that is free!
Map and rates can be found on the website...
https://beta.bathnes.gov.uk/bath-clean-air-zone
If I want to drive my 2012 Astravan 1.7cdti (euro 4 I think) into the center it will cost me £9 a day, so looks like I will drive into the center in my V8 petrol as that is free!
https://airqualitynews.com/2021/03/25/32646/
Portsmouth awarded funding. Crazy that it ignores the port which is likely the reason behind the high levels of pollution in that area.
Portsmouth awarded funding. Crazy that it ignores the port which is likely the reason behind the high levels of pollution in that area.
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