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I saw that footage (which has now been removed). The driver had a heart attack at the wheel hence not being able to stop 
On a similar note, has anyone noticed that there have been quite a few serious accidents on the A90 recently, which were supposed to have been massively reduced with the introduction of the average speed cameras. I suspect many drivers are now on cruise control/auto-pilot and not paying so much attention to their surroundings, and the cameras aren't a cure for poor junction design and layout.
On a similar note, has anyone noticed that there have been quite a few serious accidents on the A90 recently, which were supposed to have been massively reduced with the introduction of the average speed cameras. I suspect many drivers are now on cruise control/auto-pilot and not paying so much attention to their surroundings, and the cameras aren't a cure for poor junction design and layout.
Absolutely bloody brilliant!
I think the stupid roundabout (although still a bit stupid) has been fixed since the rumble strips were installed, not aware of any accidents since then?
The only issue I am aware of now is the big roundabout at Westhill, dangerous and congested, traffic lights required... Can't remember if I've posted it already but Mrs Jambo saw a motorcylist knocked over there a couple of weeks ago so I'd imagine it'll be on someone's list to look at.
Dyce has free flowing traffic at all times of day, when would this last have been the case, 1970s?
I think the stupid roundabout (although still a bit stupid) has been fixed since the rumble strips were installed, not aware of any accidents since then?
The only issue I am aware of now is the big roundabout at Westhill, dangerous and congested, traffic lights required... Can't remember if I've posted it already but Mrs Jambo saw a motorcylist knocked over there a couple of weeks ago so I'd imagine it'll be on someone's list to look at.
Dyce has free flowing traffic at all times of day, when would this last have been the case, 1970s?
PaulD86 said:
MidnightXR6 said:
Its handy for cutting travelling times.
But by god how many trucks have had accidents at that stupid roundabout?
Its a mess. Tyre tracks all over it.
Having just watched the dash cam footage of the latest truck crash there the only things I think are stupid are the drivers. If roundabout signs, lane markings and yellow rumble line across the carriageway plus a bit round thing in front of you aren't enough for you to spot there is a roundabout then you really should not be on the road. Even before they added the yellow lines the roundabout wasn't exactly hidden. But by god how many trucks have had accidents at that stupid roundabout?
Its a mess. Tyre tracks all over it.
PaulD86 said:
Even before they added the yellow lines the roundabout wasn't exactly hidden.
I generally agree Paul however there was one day I drove it southbound in the morning just after it had rained, low winter sun in my face, the road was like a mirror. Of course as a driving god I reduced my speed commensurate with the distance I could clearly see, but I could see how lesser mortals could crash.It is generally very good.
The local exit to me is probably an accident waiting to happen though. Just after you cross the new Don bridge on your way towards blackdog there is an exit for Newmachar (and Dyce I guess) and you come off a lovely wide open dual carriageway and at the end of the slip road is essentially a little mini roundabout.
It might just be me, but i thought it should be a bit more substantial than it is!
The local exit to me is probably an accident waiting to happen though. Just after you cross the new Don bridge on your way towards blackdog there is an exit for Newmachar (and Dyce I guess) and you come off a lovely wide open dual carriageway and at the end of the slip road is essentially a little mini roundabout.
It might just be me, but i thought it should be a bit more substantial than it is!
I'm really enjoying it, much reduced times for me coming into Aberdeen, still hitting small queues of traffic trying to join the AWPR as I am heading out of the A96 in the afternoons. Colleagues are really enjoying the now empty main road coming into Garthdee from Stonehaven.
I agree with the Westhill roundabout, and whats with the narrow exit from the roundabout onto the AWPR heading north?
I agree the roundabout that people crash into is crazy, but I managed to see it in time! I am hearing fair complaints about the end of the AWPR where it joins onto Stonehaven though.
I agree with the Westhill roundabout, and whats with the narrow exit from the roundabout onto the AWPR heading north?
I agree the roundabout that people crash into is crazy, but I managed to see it in time! I am hearing fair complaints about the end of the AWPR where it joins onto Stonehaven though.
Shuvi McTupya said:
The local exit to me is probably an accident waiting to happen though. Just after you cross the new Don bridge on your way towards blackdog there is an exit for Newmachar (and Dyce I guess) and you come off a lovely wide open dual carriageway and at the end of the slip road is essentially a little mini roundabout.
It might just be me, but i thought it should be a bit more substantial than it is!
That's my exit too and yes you're right, if you're coming up that slip road at 70 mph the first time you get a bit of a surprise!It might just be me, but i thought it should be a bit more substantial than it is!
It is very good, and certainly helping my journey times... A few observations though:
- A944 junction - Getting onto the roundabout can be challenging from either direction, due to weight of traffic, sometimes queuing back up the slip road. When the stadium is built - a few years I appreciate - this will not be good round match times.
- A944 now gets very congested coming out of town in the evening.
- That roundabout - I'm pretty sure 3 trucks managed to prang it together last week, but can't find the link. Maybe even more signage is required.
- Milltimber junction is a bit of a guddle to get to.
- A944 junction - Getting onto the roundabout can be challenging from either direction, due to weight of traffic, sometimes queuing back up the slip road. When the stadium is built - a few years I appreciate - this will not be good round match times.
- A944 now gets very congested coming out of town in the evening.
- That roundabout - I'm pretty sure 3 trucks managed to prang it together last week, but can't find the link. Maybe even more signage is required.
- Milltimber junction is a bit of a guddle to get to.
Helicopter123 said:
PaulD86 said:
MidnightXR6 said:
Its handy for cutting travelling times.
But by god how many trucks have had accidents at that stupid roundabout?
Its a mess. Tyre tracks all over it.
Having just watched the dash cam footage of the latest truck crash there the only things I think are stupid are the drivers. If roundabout signs, lane markings and yellow rumble line across the carriageway plus a bit round thing in front of you aren't enough for you to spot there is a roundabout then you really should not be on the road. Even before they added the yellow lines the roundabout wasn't exactly hidden. But by god how many trucks have had accidents at that stupid roundabout?
Its a mess. Tyre tracks all over it.
abzmike said:
It is very good, and certainly helping my journey times... A few observations though:
- A944 junction - Getting onto the roundabout can be challenging from either direction, due to weight of traffic, sometimes queuing back up the slip road. When the stadium is built - a few years I appreciate - this will not be good round match times.
- A944 now gets very congested coming out of town in the evening.
- That roundabout - I'm pretty sure 3 trucks managed to prang it together last week, but can't find the link. Maybe even more signage is required.
- Milltimber junction is a bit of a guddle to get to.
Pretty much my thoughts. - A944 junction - Getting onto the roundabout can be challenging from either direction, due to weight of traffic, sometimes queuing back up the slip road. When the stadium is built - a few years I appreciate - this will not be good round match times.
- A944 now gets very congested coming out of town in the evening.
- That roundabout - I'm pretty sure 3 trucks managed to prang it together last week, but can't find the link. Maybe even more signage is required.
- Milltimber junction is a bit of a guddle to get to.
A944 roundabout is a nightmare if you get stuck behind nervous drivers.
I'm sure you'll all curse me
, but I've started taking the inside lane down the ramp coming from the South onto it, as it moves quicker (I'm turning right heading into town, but nobody really notices).rossub said:
Pretty much my thoughts.
A944 roundabout is a nightmare if you get stuck behind nervous drivers.
I'm sure you'll all curse me, but I've started taking the inside lane down the ramp coming from the South onto it, as it moves quicker (I'm turning right heading into town, but nobody really notices).
Consider yourself cursed! Outrageous behaviour!A944 roundabout is a nightmare if you get stuck behind nervous drivers.
I'm sure you'll all curse me
, but I've started taking the inside lane down the ramp coming from the South onto it, as it moves quicker (I'm turning right heading into town, but nobody really notices).I echo the comments that it saves a huge amount of time, even town is noticeably quieter.
However, the lanes on some of the roundabouts can be very tight, especially the Milltimber junction roundabout.
The westhill roundabout is going to be a future problem for sure. At the moment, if you are turning right from any of the slip roads onto that roundabout then there is usually tailbacks. It can be tricky to get through the steady stream of traffic as you need two lanes clear before making it on.
The road markings are terrible, but this seems to be a recent trend: Leading up to a roundabout the lane that only goes right has an arrow pointing forward; no arrows at all until you are at the roundabout causing people to pull stupid manoeuvres etc...
The cross winds are vicious at the moment but this will die off when the trees grow in (which are planted too close to each other).
Overall i do not think that they have future proofed it very well. Use of slip roads instead of roundabouts could easily have been done (there is plenty of space when you look at google satellite pics) and would have kept the traffic flowing much quicker.
But it cannot be denied that getting from Stonehaven to Inverurie in 30 minutes or less is beyond amazing.
However, the lanes on some of the roundabouts can be very tight, especially the Milltimber junction roundabout.
The westhill roundabout is going to be a future problem for sure. At the moment, if you are turning right from any of the slip roads onto that roundabout then there is usually tailbacks. It can be tricky to get through the steady stream of traffic as you need two lanes clear before making it on.
The road markings are terrible, but this seems to be a recent trend: Leading up to a roundabout the lane that only goes right has an arrow pointing forward; no arrows at all until you are at the roundabout causing people to pull stupid manoeuvres etc...
The cross winds are vicious at the moment but this will die off when the trees grow in (which are planted too close to each other).
Overall i do not think that they have future proofed it very well. Use of slip roads instead of roundabouts could easily have been done (there is plenty of space when you look at google satellite pics) and would have kept the traffic flowing much quicker.
But it cannot be denied that getting from Stonehaven to Inverurie in 30 minutes or less is beyond amazing.
Another 9 months on and how are we getting on?
Unfortunately for me, my commute is worse if I use the bypass in the morning. Getting down the ramp to the A944 from the South can take 10-15 minutes, so I’ve given up Mon-Thurs and take my old Malcolm Road (Culter) route.
Similarly, joining the bypass from the city via the A944 can take a good 10 mins+ from Hazlehead and I’ve noticed the traffic around the offices at Westhill towards the bypass seems to be a nightmare.
So overall, I’m no better off
Unfortunately for me, my commute is worse if I use the bypass in the morning. Getting down the ramp to the A944 from the South can take 10-15 minutes, so I’ve given up Mon-Thurs and take my old Malcolm Road (Culter) route.
Similarly, joining the bypass from the city via the A944 can take a good 10 mins+ from Hazlehead and I’ve noticed the traffic around the offices at Westhill towards the bypass seems to be a nightmare.
So overall, I’m no better off
My neck of the woods (A947) is great apart from the odd day that I have to go to Westhill. That roundabout really isn't very good.
Just saw this earlier comment!!
No issue if you can do it safely but I have seen several people nearly get t-boned doing this, they seem to not actually understand that people can leave that roundabout legitimately from lane 2! (My experience of this is from the North but it's an identical setup if I'm not mistaken)
I don't know what the process is for identifying places that need traffic lights but I'm surprised it hasn't kicked into action yet.
What is the Haudagain like now at peak times? Seems fine on the rare occasion I use it but I see the demolition of nearby housing has gone ahead and the road improvements seem to be coming?
Just saw this earlier comment!!
rossub said:
A944 roundabout is a nightmare if you get stuck behind nervous drivers.
I'm sure you'll all curse me, but I've started taking the inside lane down the ramp coming from the South onto it, as it moves quicker (I'm turning right heading into town, but nobody really notices).
I'm sure you'll all curse me
, but I've started taking the inside lane down the ramp coming from the South onto it, as it moves quicker (I'm turning right heading into town, but nobody really notices). No issue if you can do it safely but I have seen several people nearly get t-boned doing this, they seem to not actually understand that people can leave that roundabout legitimately from lane 2! (My experience of this is from the North but it's an identical setup if I'm not mistaken)I don't know what the process is for identifying places that need traffic lights but I'm surprised it hasn't kicked into action yet.
What is the Haudagain like now at peak times? Seems fine on the rare occasion I use it but I see the demolition of nearby housing has gone ahead and the road improvements seem to be coming?
I travel just after peak times in the morning and evening (home down Deeside, work in Dyce) and it’s great. Only traffic issue is hitting the Westhill roundabout before about 5.45.
Only issue has being Tboned as above. Heading west out of town, in lane 2 signalled to exit towards Westhill and a Canadian tourist in a hire car decided to try and go right round the roundabout doing a u-turn back onto the bypass the northbound in lane 1...he collected me full frontal into my passenger side doors. 35 years of incident free motoring spoiled.
In general lane discipline is shocking though, not helped by poor signs and marking...head towards the airport and people are all over the place.
Only issue has being Tboned as above. Heading west out of town, in lane 2 signalled to exit towards Westhill and a Canadian tourist in a hire car decided to try and go right round the roundabout doing a u-turn back onto the bypass the northbound in lane 1...he collected me full frontal into my passenger side doors. 35 years of incident free motoring spoiled.
In general lane discipline is shocking though, not helped by poor signs and marking...head towards the airport and people are all over the place.
Jambo85 said:
What is the Haudagain like now at peak times? Seems fine on the rare occasion I use it but I see the demolition of nearby housing has gone ahead and the road improvements seem to be coming?
I'm now commuting from town out to Dyce once again, it's a bit better, but still a bit congested especially in the evenings. Not like the glory days, but not as free flowing as the Bridge of Dee is these days.The A944 roundabout looks like it might get a bit of work done including lights which should sort some of the problems there. It was recommended that the design of that junction was changed before they started doing any construciton work but the design feedback was ignored as it would have cost a bit more....
Jambo85 said:
No issue if you can do it safely but I have seen several people nearly get t-boned doing this, they seem to not actually understand that people can leave that roundabout legitimately from lane 2! (My experience of this is from the North but it's an identical setup if I'm not mistaken)I don't know what the process is for identifying places that need traffic lights but I'm surprised it hasn't kicked into action yet.
What is the Haudagain like now at peak times? Seems fine on the rare occasion I use it but I see the demolition of nearby housing has gone ahead and the road improvements seem to be coming?
I do the Haudagain twice daily, fortunately mostly in a bus...
Coming into Aberdeen in the morning at 7.20ish has much shorter waits, like 5 cars long, though in the last week this is probably up to 20 cars. Nothing like the que from the start of the bus lane and more pre AWPR.
Coming home at 4.30 ish straight along Great Northern road and there is a long slow que for 0.8 of a mile ish. I'm glad to be on the bus here.
Coming home on the days I am allowed a car I come down North Anderson drive, it is slow all the way from the A944, with gaps. I believe better than it was pre AWPR.
One item to note is the huge que going into Aberdeen at 4.30, coming from Dyce.
Coming into Aberdeen in the morning at 7.20ish has much shorter waits, like 5 cars long, though in the last week this is probably up to 20 cars. Nothing like the que from the start of the bus lane and more pre AWPR.
Coming home at 4.30 ish straight along Great Northern road and there is a long slow que for 0.8 of a mile ish. I'm glad to be on the bus here.
Coming home on the days I am allowed a car I come down North Anderson drive, it is slow all the way from the A944, with gaps. I believe better than it was pre AWPR.
One item to note is the huge que going into Aberdeen at 4.30, coming from Dyce.
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