Supercharger fitment of the 2.8i V6 cologne
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Hi peeps..I have been in touch for a while now with a nice chap caled Ross who has the sprintex kit based sierra and he has kindly sent me a link to some pics of the fitment that i requested..From what i can see it looks very tight to change the O/S spark plug bank and access to the dizzy is really limited..He is looking into having an intercooler as when he put it on a rolling road the intake temperature was measured at 90c..This was the reason why i was going to go the coil pack and aftermarket ECU route and cold air feed although he said that he has been running it with the supplied dizzy with no problems..Maybe just replace the inards with a lumenition set up??..I also noticed that the cold start injector has no electrical plug on it??..All in all though it looks like i might just be ready for the fest...Cheers...Ziga
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crautomotive said:
it looks very tight in there, BUT i would love a supercharger in my life
will one day lol
Hi Mate..If you have room in the engine bay then its a go!!..There are kits out there for most cars and granted they are not cheap..I was lucky to find a kit that was designed by power engineering back in the day to go straight on the cologne..Otherwise it would of meant some serious fabrication of pipework and bracketry which really pushes up the pennies!!..Rotrex superchargers are compact and space saving but you will probably need to lower compression and fit different injectors and an uprated fuel delivery system..The kit that i have is a sprintex S102 and it weighs an absolute ton..all is forgiven though as i had been looking for such a kit for a year or so..Dont give up on the idea..One day will come!...cheers...Zigawill one day lol
Hi simon..Megajolt is another option...I will be researching all the possibilities...cheers..
Yes that is quite tight up against the side of the engine but you can still see the spark plug leads. On mine the blower is on the other side and No 1 plug looks completely inaccessible but once you find the right combination of extension bars etc it comes out really easily - so you might find the same thing.
The one comment I have about the sierra installation is the position of the inlet pipe into the plenum - what does your plenum look like - does it have the same side entry air passage?
The one comment I have about the sierra installation is the position of the inlet pipe into the plenum - what does your plenum look like - does it have the same side entry air passage?
Hi zig you might like this for when delilah is finished 
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=3...
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=3...adam quantrill said:
The one comment I have about the sierra installation is the position of the inlet pipe into the plenum - what does your plenum look like - does it have the same side entry air passage?
Hi Adam..yes mine is exactly the same, The plenum has to be turned round and the rocker covers swapped pver..The guy that sent the pics might be having an intercooler in a way that the plenum stays in its original position..Something i might consider..
Rockettvr said:
Hi zig you might like this for when delilah is finished
Hi Ron...That would make a good T-shirt as well..Zig, I love your supercharger project, it has the potential to be amazing 
Here is a list of six essentials to make your supercharger installation work correctly.
Ignore this list at your peril, you have been warned!
1) A three dimensional mappable ignition system that can respond to boost
Choices: Megajolt, Canems ignition only, Omex 200, 123 Tune mappable distributor
Notes: An ignition system that can retard your timing under boost is essential, early forced induction systems running a distributor used a vacuum retard module just like your vac advance module in reverse.
This vacuum retard system is crude, these days you are far better off fitting one of the above 3D ignition systems typically operating the 1990's Ford type coil packs & wasted spark sytem
Failure to instantly retard your ignition timing under boost conditions will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
2) An intercooler
Notes: Your supercharger is a compressor, it therefore creates a lot of heat, if the inducted air gets above a certain temperature (& it will) your engine will detonate, detonation will kill your engine in no time
3) Larger injectors
Notes: More air requires more fuel to maintain a safe AFR, if your injectors are too small you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
4) Changes to your metering head
Notes: Your metering head will require adjustment to match your new larger injectors
If your metering head fails to supply enough fuel to your larger injectors you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
5) Larger fuel pump
Notes: If the fuel supply fails to match the demands of your larger injectors & adjusted metering head you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
6) A rising rate fuel pressure regulator
Notes: All forced induction engines require a rising rate fuel pressure regulator to help provide the additional fuel demands under boost yet to also maintain a smooth idle & drivability at low/zero boost conditions.
If you do not fit a rising rate FPR you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation.
Should you decide you can get away with deleting any one of these six essential elements, you will definitely experience detonation.
And yes you guessed it:
"Detonation will kill your engine in no time"
Good luck with it mate, if you get it right it will be amazing
Here is a list of six essentials to make your supercharger installation work correctly.
Ignore this list at your peril, you have been warned!
1) A three dimensional mappable ignition system that can respond to boost
Choices: Megajolt, Canems ignition only, Omex 200, 123 Tune mappable distributor
Notes: An ignition system that can retard your timing under boost is essential, early forced induction systems running a distributor used a vacuum retard module just like your vac advance module in reverse.
This vacuum retard system is crude, these days you are far better off fitting one of the above 3D ignition systems typically operating the 1990's Ford type coil packs & wasted spark sytem
Failure to instantly retard your ignition timing under boost conditions will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
2) An intercooler
Notes: Your supercharger is a compressor, it therefore creates a lot of heat, if the inducted air gets above a certain temperature (& it will) your engine will detonate, detonation will kill your engine in no time
3) Larger injectors
Notes: More air requires more fuel to maintain a safe AFR, if your injectors are too small you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
4) Changes to your metering head
Notes: Your metering head will require adjustment to match your new larger injectors
If your metering head fails to supply enough fuel to your larger injectors you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
5) Larger fuel pump
Notes: If the fuel supply fails to match the demands of your larger injectors & adjusted metering head you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation, detonation will kill your engine in no time
6) A rising rate fuel pressure regulator
Notes: All forced induction engines require a rising rate fuel pressure regulator to help provide the additional fuel demands under boost yet to also maintain a smooth idle & drivability at low/zero boost conditions.
If you do not fit a rising rate FPR you will go lean under boost, a lean mixture will cause detonation.
Should you decide you can get away with deleting any one of these six essential elements, you will definitely experience detonation.
And yes you guessed it:
"Detonation will kill your engine in no time"
Good luck with it mate, if you get it right it will be amazing
ChimpofDarkness said:
Zig, I love your supercharger project, it has the potential to be amazing
Here is a list of six essentials to make your supercharger installation work correctly.
Ignore this list at your peril, you have been warned!
Good luck with it mate, if you get it right it will be amazing
So just to be sure Dave, are you saying that "detonation will kill your engine in no time?" Here is a list of six essentials to make your supercharger installation work correctly.
Ignore this list at your peril, you have been warned!
Good luck with it mate, if you get it right it will be amazing
Thanks Mate..So basically my engine is going to blow up!!... 
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Seriously though.. I have been thinking along those lines, I know the kit works with the supplied dizzy but like you say its old and slow..I was looking into a megajolt system with a map sensor to measure vacuum pressure as opposed to TPS but the more sensors the better really!..Bigger injectors are a must, I did have the WUR built to be easily adjusted and the old system used the 7th injector to up the fuel but again like you say its worth having ssomething that can respond quickly to changes in fuel and air ratios..And also the advancing and retarding of timing needs to be tip top..An intercooler is a must as the guy that im in contact with who has the SC sierra 4x4i said that the intake temperature on a rolling road was measured at 90c..Way too hot..He is looking into a modified cossy intercooler that keeps the plenum in its original position instead of turning it round..I will also fit the refrigerant kit to the plenum intake which is linked to full throttle for MASS cool air!...Im doing a lot of research before it gets fitted as i dont want to end up destroying my wedge...Hopefully i will redeem myself on the rolling road at this years fest..especially after being named and shamed in this months sprint as regards to last year!...(By the way it was 107bhp not 103)......Im aiming to smash that with double and a bit more...Cheers..Ziga
....Seriously though.. I have been thinking along those lines, I know the kit works with the supplied dizzy but like you say its old and slow..I was looking into a megajolt system with a map sensor to measure vacuum pressure as opposed to TPS but the more sensors the better really!..Bigger injectors are a must, I did have the WUR built to be easily adjusted and the old system used the 7th injector to up the fuel but again like you say its worth having ssomething that can respond quickly to changes in fuel and air ratios..And also the advancing and retarding of timing needs to be tip top..An intercooler is a must as the guy that im in contact with who has the SC sierra 4x4i said that the intake temperature on a rolling road was measured at 90c..Way too hot..He is looking into a modified cossy intercooler that keeps the plenum in its original position instead of turning it round..I will also fit the refrigerant kit to the plenum intake which is linked to full throttle for MASS cool air!...Im doing a lot of research before it gets fitted as i dont want to end up destroying my wedge...Hopefully i will redeem myself on the rolling road at this years fest..especially after being named and shamed in this months sprint as regards to last year!...(By the way it was 107bhp not 103)...
...Im aiming to smash that with double and a bit more...Cheers..ZigaMark,
While converting Cologne V6 engines I have always used 2,8 EFI intake manifold and distributor. See an old project photo of my twin turboed 2.3 litre V6 here (missing some pipes and throttle body):
http://jannenr1.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Projektit/Kuva+062....
In addition to 2.8 Sierra EFI intake manifold also needed: Suitable sized fuel injectors (I use 630ml/min Siemens Deka, but depends on the power you need), aftermarket ECU to manage fuel injection and ignition timing (I use Autronic and ViPEC ECU), original fuel pump will supply 350 hp (if in good order), standard 2.8. EFI fuel pressure regulator will do (no need to change it).
An intercooler is a must for any forced induction engine - but especially for roots type compressor, which makes a lot more heat than turbo or centrifugal. For my Wedge I am propably making a water-to-air system, as routing the 2.5-3" induction hoses to the intercooler in the nose cone is not easy compared to routing 1" water cooling hoses to the cooler radiator in the nose.
Your mechanical K-jetronic system make the engine tuning a lot more complicated than what a proper electronic standalone ECU can achieve. For how long your engine will survive, depends on how good tune you have for it.
Just an idea and sharing my thoughts/experience on this matter
Jean
While converting Cologne V6 engines I have always used 2,8 EFI intake manifold and distributor. See an old project photo of my twin turboed 2.3 litre V6 here (missing some pipes and throttle body):
http://jannenr1.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Projektit/Kuva+062....
In addition to 2.8 Sierra EFI intake manifold also needed: Suitable sized fuel injectors (I use 630ml/min Siemens Deka, but depends on the power you need), aftermarket ECU to manage fuel injection and ignition timing (I use Autronic and ViPEC ECU), original fuel pump will supply 350 hp (if in good order), standard 2.8. EFI fuel pressure regulator will do (no need to change it).
An intercooler is a must for any forced induction engine - but especially for roots type compressor, which makes a lot more heat than turbo or centrifugal. For my Wedge I am propably making a water-to-air system, as routing the 2.5-3" induction hoses to the intercooler in the nose cone is not easy compared to routing 1" water cooling hoses to the cooler radiator in the nose.
Your mechanical K-jetronic system make the engine tuning a lot more complicated than what a proper electronic standalone ECU can achieve. For how long your engine will survive, depends on how good tune you have for it.
Just an idea and sharing my thoughts/experience on this matter
Jean
Hi jean...Thanks for the info..It was explained to me a while back as regards to the 2.8 efi plenum and manifold but to find them is not so easy..The early granada 2.8 efi is harder to find..I do look for these parts often but have not seen them being available in the last year or so..However i will continue to look...Cheers...ziga
SporttiJanne said:
I might find the required parts in my stock, for a desperate...
I will bear that inmind if i cant find any..I think they were only made for a very short time..I will see if i can find a salvage yard that has them but a lot of them were snapped up by the capri boy's..I will let you know..cheers..Ziga mrzigazaga said:
Hi jean...Thanks for the info..It was explained to me a while back as regards to the 2.8 efi plenum and manifold but to find them is not so easy..The early granada 2.8 efi is harder to find..I do look for these parts often but have not seen them being available in the last year or so..However i will continue to look...Cheers...ziga
From one of the other threads here, I think the 2.9 inlet system fits on the 2.8 ??The easiest way to tell is to check if 2.9 inlet gasket is the same as the 2.8 ....Photos I have in my Granny workshop manual do look the same, but photos like that can be deceptive...
Hi Andy..By the looks of the inlet manifold gasket it does but im sure when i spoke to the ford guy he said it wouldnt and saod i would need the granada 2.8 efi manifold & Plenum??..Hard to find to say the least...Ziga
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-XR4i-SCORPIO-SIERRA-GR...
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-XR4i-SCORPIO-SIERRA-GR...
Hi Graham..Thanks for that..I have regularilly looked for the EFI parts but to no avail and im begining to think that this supercharger project could become a bit too expensive and maybe should of just had John toovey race engines build me a race prepared engine, I must stop letting my heart rule my head as i did initially want a V8..Delilah has been a real learning curve and our love affair has been somewhat challenging but i think the time is approaching for me to call it a day and get a V8..I could always supercharge it and it will probably be a lot easier..Still beard scratching at the moment though...Cheers..Ziga
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