Supercharger fitment of the 2.8i V6 cologne
Discussion
mrzigazaga said:
the time is approaching for me to call it a day and get a V8
Oh Zig Zig Zig ! You have finally seen the light. I remember our long chat/s a year (yes it's a year and 2 weeks since I sold the beast) and 15/18m ago and I know your heart is set on a V8 and you'll still be wondering/scratching that itch/beard of yours...
Save your pennies on the s/c and and get yourself a 350/390/400... which will probably be more power (and definitely more torque) than you are planning anyway - both of which are secondary to something you can never get tired of - the NOISE !
If you want to put the word out I'm sure you will have acollective looking for the car for you! If you need any help in sourcing (I can't keep away from the various classifieds....) let me know (you have my PM/mobile)...
Good Luck!
2.9 Inlet manifold....
Just because the Ford dealers reckon it won't fit, I wouldn't immediately believe them.
I did all sorts of inlet and ignition/dizzy stuff with Triumph 2.5 engines which BL dealers said "Oh that won't fit.." and they were wrong. If one thinks about the cost of swopping stuff around on the production line, it's often easier to keep patterns and layouts the same ....
I know that Ford changed the 2.9 cyl head for valve order on one cyl, and the cam drive, but that STILL doesn't automatically mean that the inlet port arrangement actually changed.
Someone told me (on this forum in fact) that the racers fit 2.8 CARB manifolds to the 2.9 and it all works, so that was the basis of my suggestion. Yes, early Colognes did have different carb manifolds for 2.3 and 2.8, but Ford changed that so they were all the same later on (about 82 I think).
2.8 EFI manifolds (Granny Scorpio 1985) are like rocking horse excrement, so I reckon it's worth a try....especially if you can get one to try out.
Just because the Ford dealers reckon it won't fit, I wouldn't immediately believe them.
I did all sorts of inlet and ignition/dizzy stuff with Triumph 2.5 engines which BL dealers said "Oh that won't fit.." and they were wrong. If one thinks about the cost of swopping stuff around on the production line, it's often easier to keep patterns and layouts the same ....
I know that Ford changed the 2.9 cyl head for valve order on one cyl, and the cam drive, but that STILL doesn't automatically mean that the inlet port arrangement actually changed.
Someone told me (on this forum in fact) that the racers fit 2.8 CARB manifolds to the 2.9 and it all works, so that was the basis of my suggestion. Yes, early Colognes did have different carb manifolds for 2.3 and 2.8, but Ford changed that so they were all the same later on (about 82 I think).
2.8 EFI manifolds (Granny Scorpio 1985) are like rocking horse excrement, so I reckon it's worth a try....especially if you can get one to try out.
Edited by RCK974X on Tuesday 22 January 20:49
mrzigazaga said:
the time is approaching for me to call it a day and get a V8
At last Zig!You took your time, but you've seen sense in the end!
Now if I could only get my hand on a decent FHC, you could have my 350, subject to the exchange of a few beer tokens!
Why, why why Delilah!
I'm sure you've sworn at Tom Jones' song on more than one occasion of late
If you do get rid of her, someone, somewhere, will be getting the bare bones of a very very decent car!
Think long and hard Zig before abandoning her
remember the old adage: better the devil you know and all that!Of course of you do chose to progress with the V8 idea, there are loads of us on here that will keep their eye out for you!
grahamw48 said:
What's the state of play with your present engine Zig ?
I think I may have missed the rest of the thread where you were having it re-built ?
Have you felt the full 150/160bhp yet ?
Hi Mate..I was intending to have my old engine rebuilt which would of pushed out close to 240bhp without the charger..I had a replacement fitted which was rebuilt about 4 years ago and it has had little use, It is quite a smooth running motor and it feels twice as quick as the old one..BUT..And its a very big but..My plan was to get the chassis refurbed and all the drive train..Then the interior & Hood and then the bodywork..We are talking around 15K and thats without the 4K i have already spent..That is SEAC money!! and as much as i love delilah i feel she would make someone a good introduction to TVR wedges..It will be.. "Bye bye bye delilah"I think I may have missed the rest of the thread where you were having it re-built ?
Have you felt the full 150/160bhp yet ?
RCK974X said:
2.9 Inlet manifold....
Just because the Ford dealers reckon it won't fit, I wouldn't immediately believe them.
I did all sorts of inlet and ignition/dizzy stuff with Triumph 2.5 engines which BL dealers said "Oh that won't fit.." and they were wrong. If one thinks about the cost of swopping stuff around on the production line, it's often easier to keep patterns and layouts the same ....
I know that Ford changed the 2.9 cyl head for valve order on one cyl, and the cam drive, but that STILL doesn't automatically mean that the inlet port arrangement actually changed.
Someone told me (on this forum in fact) that the racers fit 2.8 CARB manifolds to the 2.9 and it all works, so that was the basis of my suggestion. Yes, early Colognes did have different carb manifolds for 2.3 and 2.8, but Ford changed that so they were all the same later on (about 82 I think).
2.8 EFI manifolds (Granny Scorpio 1985) are like rocking horse excrement, so I reckon it's worth a try....especially if you can get one to try out.
With some work the 2.8 carb manifold does fit the 2.9. I have one on the shelf that used to live on my Taz racer until I changed it for a triple carb setup which, again, was based on a 2.8 manifold.Just because the Ford dealers reckon it won't fit, I wouldn't immediately believe them.
I did all sorts of inlet and ignition/dizzy stuff with Triumph 2.5 engines which BL dealers said "Oh that won't fit.." and they were wrong. If one thinks about the cost of swopping stuff around on the production line, it's often easier to keep patterns and layouts the same ....
I know that Ford changed the 2.9 cyl head for valve order on one cyl, and the cam drive, but that STILL doesn't automatically mean that the inlet port arrangement actually changed.
Someone told me (on this forum in fact) that the racers fit 2.8 CARB manifolds to the 2.9 and it all works, so that was the basis of my suggestion. Yes, early Colognes did have different carb manifolds for 2.3 and 2.8, but Ford changed that so they were all the same later on (about 82 I think).
2.8 EFI manifolds (Granny Scorpio 1985) are like rocking horse excrement, so I reckon it's worth a try....especially if you can get one to try out.
NTEL said:
With some work the 2.8 carb manifold does fit the 2.9. I have one on the shelf that used to live on my Taz racer until I changed it for a triple carb setup which, again, was based on a 2.8 manifold.
Thanks NTEL - Therefore I reckon it's at least worth a try Zig !! The reverse should be true, chances are the 2.9 inlet mfold will fit the 2.8 for the basis of a digital ECU supercharged setup, which will be the best for engine life, and probably fuel economy too ....PS. I didn't mean to imply that main dealers are crap or anything, it's just that this type of stuff isn't what they do, and they have liability etc. to worry about, so to them, if it's not an official part for that configuration, it don't fit...
Edited by RCK974X on Tuesday 22 January 23:10
It looks like it will fit but there is no top water inlet??..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-2-9-V6-EFi-injectio...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-2-9-V6-EFi-injectio...
I had sleeves made for the injector holes in my manifold so I could install electronic injectors on my 280i when I converted to MegaSquirt. Since there is so little room under the plenum I used pico injectors. I made hold downs from copper tubing and pieces of flat steel cut to fit the slot in the injector. I used a lot of tee fittings to connect the fuel lines to the injectors. It looks a mess but works well.
This may be an option if a 2.9 manifold does not fit.
Bill
This may be an option if a 2.9 manifold does not fit.
Bill
pjac67 said:
mrzigazaga said:
the time is approaching for me to call it a day and get a V8
Oh Zig Zig Zig ! You have finally seen the light. I remember our long chat/s a year (yes it's a year and 2 weeks since I sold the beast) and 15/18m ago and I know your heart is set on a V8 and you'll still be wondering/scratching that itch/beard of yours...
Save your pennies on the s/c and and get yourself a 350/390/400... which will probably be more power (and definitely more torque) than you are planning anyway - both of which are secondary to something you can never get tired of - the NOISE !
If you want to put the word out I'm sure you will have acollective looking for the car for you! If you need any help in sourcing (I can't keep away from the various classifieds....) let me know (you have my PM/mobile)...
Good Luck!
There are so many things TVR did better on say a 400SE, that to try & replicate it or even come close using Delilah as your foundation would end up costing stupid money.
With V8 Wedges still massively undervalued you would be insane not to put your money into a nice 400SE.
Look for a really well sorted 400SE that's been improved & loved by an enthusiastic owner, IE a car that's had money lavished on it by someone else.
Sadly for that owner he'll never get his money back on all the work that's gone in, that's where you step in with some cash and take advantage of a market that still fails to see the true value of these great cars.
Nothing, & I mean NOTHING, comes close to a well sorted V8 Wedge for the money, buying a properly sorted one that's had everything done to it represents insane value for money.
Say "Bye bye bye Delilah" & hello to a really well sorted V8 Wedge.
I promise you you'll look back six months later at your time with Delilah and say...."Why why why Delilah?"
Just remember the golden rule with all old cars..
You are far far better off spending a bit more money in the first place to get a really sorted one, than trying to bring a scruffy car up to the same standard.
It's always been like that, and because of their undervalued status the golden rule is even more relevant with a TVR Wedge.
ChimpofDarkness said:
I totally & wholeheartedly agree with pjac67.
Me too..Im a one wedge man..(Unless i win the lotto or get a big garage)..So to cheat on Delilah would not be good...We have had our moment's but she was neglected for years so that's understandable but she has a good heart..(Now)..and has been there for me the last 2.5 years ..Bless her.ChimpofDarkness said:
you would be insane not to put your money into a nice 400SE.
Are you a mind reader mate?..I know of such a car..The problem being money..Although the inheritance is into another stage now so its looking promising for this year!...Sometime..I will probably miss out though..It always happens!...
One consulation is that she is a good runner now and has been well documented on here, yes there are still some things that need doing but most are cosmetic..She would be a good first TVR for someone who wants a 280i wedge..
mrzigazaga said:
Are you a mind reader mate?..I know of such a car..The problem being money..Although the inheritance is into another stage now so its looking promising for this year!...Sometime..I will probably miss out though..It always happens!...
One consulation is that she is a good runner now and has been well documented on here, yes there are still some things that need doing but most are cosmetic..She would be a good first TVR for someone who wants a 280i wedge..
Spot on Zig, with everything you've done to her Delilah should really be approaching her sweet spot in terms of reliability now.One consulation is that she is a good runner now and has been well documented on here, yes there are still some things that need doing but most are cosmetic..She would be a good first TVR for someone who wants a 280i wedge..
Just enjoy her, with some minor felting & general maintenance you should have a nice reliable Wedge on your hands.
Whoever buys Delilah, will get a car that's had an enormous amount on love and care lavished on it, like you say they will be getting a great starter TVR.
Think about what she's worth on the open market, then thing about what you spent getting her to where she is now.
Someone will be getting a nice little bargain no doubt.
You just need to get a similar bargain at the other end of the deal when you buy your V8 Wedge.
Until all this comes together you must resist the temptation to modify Delilah, you will never get your money back on further mods & upgrades, so sit tight and enjoy her for what she is while you still have her.
Keep in mind that to complete the supercharger project so it works correctly you must follow my list of essentials over the page.
Add up the cost of all these additional essentials, and even if you are watching the pennies you'll definitely be spending £1,500, and more likely £2,000 by the time it's all done.
Then there's whatever you paid for the supercharger in the first place.
So will the car be worth £2-3k more when its blown?
Will it feck!
And as fun as forced induction is, even if you get the fuel & ignition spot on you aren't exactly adding reliability & longevity to the engine.
Be patient, leave Delilah alone, and hang on for that 400SE.
You know it makes sense
pjac67 said:
Oh Zig Zig Zig ! You have finally seen the light. I remember our long chat/s a year (yes it's a year and 2 weeks since I sold the beast) and 15/18m ago and I know your heart is set on a V8 and you'll still be wondering/scratching that itch/beard of yours...
Save your pennies on the s/c and and get yourself a 350/390/400... which will probably be more power (and definitely more torque) than you are planning anyway - both of which are secondary to something you can never get tired of - the NOISE !
If you want to put the word out I'm sure you will have acollective looking for the car for you! If you need any help in sourcing (I can't keep away from the various classifieds....) let me know (you have my PM/mobile)...
Good Luck!
Phil
Hi Peeps..Well as you know im a bit of a fruitcake so plan A is still going ahead..I have a set of unleaded heads that are being worked on as we speak to lower the compression..Im ditching the power steering...The supercharger will be getting a makeover this week and should be fitted in a couple of weeks..Delilah will have a new hood & a new interior..Refurbed wheels and a new badge..Maybe a re-spray later..But for now im just going to see what happens...If i poo my pants then its all good..Well not totally but all good in the car department..I will also be looking for a sorted V8..
..possibly the red one on the classifieds right now..Unless a sorted 400-450se suddenly makes an appearance...Oh yes baby..Theres nothing wrong with being surrounded by beautiful things..Cheers...Ziga
..possibly the red one on the classifieds right now..Unless a sorted 400-450se suddenly makes an appearance...Oh yes baby..Theres nothing wrong with being surrounded by beautiful things..Cheers...ZigaHi zig. What condition are your old carpets in ? I'm in need of new carpets but funds are low 
my current carpets (by previous owner) are made from off cuts of normal lounge carpet - very nasty so anything would be an improvement. It would also give me an original set to make patterns from when I get some money for a re -trim.
my current carpets (by previous owner) are made from off cuts of normal lounge carpet - very nasty so anything would be an improvement. It would also give me an original set to make patterns from when I get some money for a re -trim. Hi Mate..I think mine is lounge carpet too unfortunately..There is loads of threadbear and the driverside has worn through in the footwell..Plus i wont be having it done for a while but if it is of any use then you are more than welcome to have it...You could always make a cardboard template of the carpet and purchase the automotive carpet and glue and DIY...I was going to but i found a reasonably priced trimmer and i like his colour ideas and qualities..Also if you wanted to do it yourself i dont mind helping!..
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=a...
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=a...
Rockettvr said:
No worries Zig thanks anyway. Think Ill look at the DIY option Not quite sure about how it should have looked originally though as the current carpet is a real butchery of a job - there must be about 20 separate bits of carpet at the moment ! 
Hi Ron..There is a guide in the wedge PDF as to the lay out, Its probably in scale so would need enlarging..If you dont have it then i will email it you..There are alternative carpet set's available for the wedge but im not sure what it includes??..Try to get along to a meet soon and then you can have a look at a few others...Zigachapperssx said:
Hi Mark what are you having done to the Sprintex mate ?
Hi Martin...Im just basically giving it a coat of etching primer and then spraying it black graphite HT paint..Heres the bottom part of it already done..Im then painting in red lines and spraying a TVR logo on it..The pipe work is remaining shiny...
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