Rose Joint Drop Links anyone?

Rose Joint Drop Links anyone?

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adam quantrill

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11,538 posts

242 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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Ive got some of the Steve Heath drop links, and they are very good, adding some sharpness to turn-in. However I find the smaller rose joint only lasts around 20k miles and usually fails because it snaps through.

Steve seems to have ceased trading, so I started looking on Ebay and you can buy replacement small rose joints that look like they will fit, quite cheap too, only a few quid. So I'll try some replacements for durability. They only take half an our to fit (tops) because you don't have to remove the whole thing, just one bolt and you can replace the small joint.

Then I started looking some more and I can get the large rose joints too, and the bracket at the bottom looks easy to make, so I reckon I can make the whole kit for around £45 plus P+P. This will be with an uprated smaller rose joint which will be more durable.

I'll make up a few sets and post up some piccies, but let me know if you're interested, at least in principle....

Convert

3,747 posts

218 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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I'd be interested.


Oz2

962 posts

188 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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Sounds good....

tweety

829 posts

259 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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I'd be interested too....

Cheers, Al.

beacon

1,144 posts

221 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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I might be interested too sonar

matt-man

2,665 posts

219 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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+1 smile

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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I have a set of the drop links as well but never fitted. On my roundtoit list. Modify before with your bracket? Not really looked at them a great deal.

adam quantrill

Original Poster:

11,538 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Blimey! I'll order enough bracket material for a few sets then.

Jeff the SH ones are M8 on the smaller rose joint. The upgrade will take it to M10.

If you want to upgrade your existing ones (I am thinking of doing this to mine anyway but mainly for testing purposes) you will have to drill out the hole in the upper drop link and tap for M10, then drill out the horizontal hole in the lower bracket for an M10 bolt.

On the other hand with the M8 replacements at only a few quid, and they are quite small you could even keep a spare in your boot, it might not be worth bothering to upgrade the existing ones. As I said they last 20k miles or so, which is comparable to the ARB bracket clips anyway.

shpub

8,507 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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A couple of points Adam before you start investing money:

The big rose joint is machined out to fit the ARB. There are no off the shelf units that will fit. It also needs to be internally teflon lined to prevent rattling.
The SHENG bracket will not take a standard 10mm rose joint without significantly weakening it.
If the bottom RJ breaks it is because it is out of alignment and the sideways forces will cause the joint to break.
Even M10/M12 will break in this way.

dickymint

24,332 posts

258 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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shpub said:
A couple of points Adam before you start investing money:

The big rose joint is machined out to fit the ARB. There are no off the shelf units that will fit. It also needs to be internally teflon lined to prevent rattling.
The SHENG bracket will not take a standard 10mm rose joint without significantly weakening it.
If the bottom RJ breaks it is because it is out of alignment and the sideways forces will cause the joint to break.
Even M10/M12 will break in this way.
How you doing Steve? I don't post on here very often, just read your website update and wanted to say hi and wish you well for your PhD thumbup

PS. I'm now Wedgeless but still drinking Cider from your Wedgefest Tankard beer

beacon

1,144 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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dickymint said:
shpub said:
A couple of points Adam before you start investing money:

The big rose joint is machined out to fit the ARB. There are no off the shelf units that will fit. It also needs to be internally teflon lined to prevent rattling.
The SHENG bracket will not take a standard 10mm rose joint without significantly weakening it.
If the bottom RJ breaks it is because it is out of alignment and the sideways forces will cause the joint to break.
Even M10/M12 will break in this way.
How you doing Steve? I don't post on here very often, just read your website update and wanted to say hi and wish you well for your PhD thumbup

PS. I'm now Wedgeless but still drinking Cider from your Wedgefest Tankard beer
Ironic, I am with wedges, but my tankard got dropped :@( , they were great and bespoke, I miss it !!!!!!! sonar

dickymint

24,332 posts

258 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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beacon said:
dickymint said:
shpub said:
A couple of points Adam before you start investing money:

The big rose joint is machined out to fit the ARB. There are no off the shelf units that will fit. It also needs to be internally teflon lined to prevent rattling.
The SHENG bracket will not take a standard 10mm rose joint without significantly weakening it.
If the bottom RJ breaks it is because it is out of alignment and the sideways forces will cause the joint to break.
Even M10/M12 will break in this way.
How you doing Steve? I don't post on here very often, just read your website update and wanted to say hi and wish you well for your PhD thumbup

PS. I'm now Wedgeless but still drinking Cider from your Wedgefest Tankard beer
Ironic, I am with wedges, but my tankard got dropped :@( , they were great and bespoke, I miss it !!!!!!! sonar
I was lucky there was a small flaw in mine so Steve very kindly sent me both the good one and the flawed one.

adam quantrill

Original Poster:

11,538 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Aha - finally goaded Steve out to comment. Nice to hear from you! Is the purple shed still running?

Thanks for the pointers. Yes maybe it's better to stick with replacement M8 joints when using your brackets, as they are quite cheap I'll consider them a consumable.

With the mileage most wedgers do, they'll last for many many years anyway - I tend to get through one every 3 years or so. Always the offside, so far....

Yes I'll definitely do some more research and road testing before laying out for a big batch of components. The initial outlay looks to be quite low.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Right. Leave alone then. Might fit them this year, then again.....

Solitude

1,902 posts

175 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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What's a link rose joint dropped ??

Piccy ?

adam quantrill

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11,538 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Hi Gavin,

the drop link is what connects the end of the Anti Roll Bar (ARB) to the lower wishbone.

On the standard Ford Cortina design used on the wedge, there's a rubber bung coupling the drop link to the ARB. This provides some flexibility but also negates some of the stiffness of the ARB, especially when the rubber bung perishes.

If you replace the link with a mechanical bearing and get rid of the rubber you will allow the ARB to act more directly on the front suspension. This gives less roll when cornering hard. The downside is the lack of play at low suspension deflection gives slightly more unstable reactions when driving in a straight line at high speed - you could get more tramlining, etc.

I'll try and post up some pics of it installed on mine. The bearings commonly used are spherical bearings or rose joints, and allow rotation in two axes at once, a bit like your wrist.

adam quantrill

Original Poster:

11,538 posts

242 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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Here's a piccy of an SH drop link, the pen shows the hole through which the ARB goes.

The bottom bracket bolts onto the lower wishbone.



Solitude

1,902 posts

175 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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Aha

Thanks for taking the time to explain and show Adam

You are a diamond....a rough one.....but a diamond.

This weekend, i shall be looking at mine

Gavin

adam quantrill

Original Poster:

11,538 posts

242 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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I was quite rough last Saturday morning!!! ;^)

Oz2

962 posts

188 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Thought I'd bump this, how are you going with this adam? Any progress
I'm interested in a set, btw, did you ring the old man yet?