350i Front Brakes

[mrzigazaga]

Yes but as you say Keith you fitted the Granada front calipers so the front disc would fit, however with the spacer in the original calipers or the Austin princess 4-pots the bell needs to be bigger/deeper...it might not be the mk2 granny but it is listed for 1979 Granada 2.8i estate rear vented brake discs.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

[mrzigazaga]

This as well....I just pass on knowledge and try to keep it as accurate and trusting as I can...sorry if I made a mistake with a number...I shall hit myself over the head ten times with a deep pan pizza and drink nothing but pure gin for a week....
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...

[John042]

So to rewind my car has the standard rear solid discs (XJ6/XJS) at the back? The front, AP vented discs with Princess 4 x pot calipers with a distance piece? J C.

[KKson]

mrzigazaga said:

Yes but as you say Keith you fitted the Granada front calipers so the front disc would fit, however with the spacer in the original calipers or the Austin princess 4-pots the bell needs to be bigger/deeper...it might not be the mk2 granny but it is listed for 1979 Granada 2.8i estate rear vented brake discs.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

The 2 pot calipers on my 390SE appeared to be totally original and certainly no record/evidence/receipt of replacement. They are however identical to the larger Granada estate style calipers, and I'm assuming mine were original fitment, the same as I've see also on a few SEAC's (Glen??). The Granada 2.8i estate front discs fitted straight on to the original bells without issue and were identical to the originals. I did also have a set of Princess 4 pots which had spacers in them, and these also physically fitted, but given issues I've heard regarding bleeding I kept the original 2 pots but refurbished them and fitted Greenstuff pads, which are bloody good.

As Martin (Hatter) and also grahamw48 confirm in the second thread referenced above, as far as I can see all front discs used were front discs off the Mk2 Granada. Standard non-vented for the 350i off the 2.0 Granada or vented off the 2.8i estate for the 390SE and 400 models.

[mrzigazaga]

Hi Keith


They probably are original and yes the front vented discs would fit but when you upgrade the original 350i 2 pot with a spacer or fit the Austin princess calliper then the rear Granada estate disc is needed..Ill see if I can get a part number...

The AP were okay as long as you bleed from lowest and inner point to upmost and outer...

[KKson]

Mark, done some more checking. The Mk2 Granada (all models) had rear drums not discs so it had to be the front discs that were used.

[John042]

Thanks Keith, nice to identify parts for the future. J C.

[mrzigazaga]

They were definitely Granada mk2 2.8i Estate rears..I will have a part number later...I needed them for Poppy last year so I know im not talking twaddle...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...

Ziga

[SEvans]

Gents, correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think the separate AP rotors and bells fitted to some of the bigger engined wedges with the Princess calipers were ever off a Granada. My understanding is these were a special from AP. That's why the rotors are so hard to source.
The AP rotor is a larger diameter and thickness than the Granada disk. This is why there is so much confusion over caliper spacing, fitting kits etc.

Cheers Steve

[mk2 24v]

mrzigazaga said:

They were definitely Granada mk2 2.8i Estate rears..I will have a part number later...I needed them for Poppy last year so I know im not talking twaddle...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...

Ziga

They never had discs fitted to the rear, no matter which model of mk2 Granada it was

At a guess, the listing for them you have has got it recorded wrong
And the mk3 had normal over the hub type discs with 5x112 pcd

[mrzigazaga]

mk2 24v said:

They never had discs fitted to the rear, no matter which model of mk2 Granada it was

At a guess, the listing for them you have has got it recorded wrong
And the mk3 had normal over the hub type discs with 5x112 pcd

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=12...

Edited by mrzigazaga on Thursday 10th January 14:02

[mk2 24v]

mrzigazaga said:

mk2 24v said:

They never had discs fitted to the rear, no matter which model of mk2 Granada it was

At a guess, the listing for them you have has got it recorded wrong
And the mk3 had normal over the hub type discs with 5x112 pcd

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=12...

Edited by mrzigazaga on Thursday 10th January 14:02

Just a front brake thread which I posted in ages ago, no mention of rear disc fitment

[KKson]

So this morning remembered that when I bought the 350i a Granada maintenance manual was included in the boot so:

Granada manual:



Brakes specifications



Image of Granada REAR brakes (drums)




One thing of note in the description is the reference to the rear brake pressure control valve which our Wedges have so it may well be from the Granada set up.



So are we all clear now? Front discs on the Wedges are from the front of the Granada Mk 2. Non-vented as generally used on the 350i's are from the 2.0l models and the vented ones used on 390SE and other models are from the 2.8i estate. Simples.

Edited by KKson on Thursday 10th January 20:14

[mrzigazaga]

...There is a vented option..when I find the bloody part number...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Ford-Granada-MK2-2-...

[KKson]

mrzigazaga said:

...There is a vented option..when I find the bloody part number...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Ford-Granada-MK2-2-...

I think they are confused Mark. I'd be interested to see how they fit those discs to the rear of a Mk 2 Granada......

One point of note however is that the rear hubs on our Wedges are Granada Mk 2 rear hubs, rather than Jaguar units.

[mrzigazaga]

Hi Keith


They might be a facelift product for the Granada...All I know is that when I had the Austin Princess calipers on the 280i and the original Wedge 350i 2-pot calipers both with the spacer fitted the rear Granada estate mk2 vented discs were the only ones that fitted, They are not easy to find...I did source them last year and am waiting for the part number...

The rear hub carriers are TVR with Granada hub and seals x 2 ..the half shafts are TVR specials to connect the Jag diff to the hubs....the reason why the are like hens teeth...

Edited by mrzigazaga on Thursday 10th January 22:46

[pieeater]

this may help got these discs and pads for my 350i. recommended by a member. Hi Paul, I got my discs and pads off mtec brakes. Vented discs are from the 2.8i Granada Mk 2 estate:. They are front discs to suit the 2pot large Ford calipers.

http://www.mtecbrakes.com/brake-discs/ford/granada...

I got the grooved discs together with greenstuff pads and the brake feel and "Bite" is superb. The 2.8i estate calipers are larger than the smaller M16 style 350i calipers which were used on lesser Granada.
these fit perfect...

[KKson]

pieeater said:

this may help got these discs and pads for my 350i. recommended by a member. Hi Paul, I got my discs and pads off mtec brakes. Vented discs are from the 2.8i Granada Mk 2 estate:. They are front discs to suit the 2pot large Ford calipers.

http://www.mtecbrakes.com/brake-discs/ford/granada...

I got the grooved discs together with greenstuff pads and the brake feel and "Bite" is superb. The 2.8i estate calipers are larger than the smaller M16 style 350i calipers which were used on lesser Granada.
these fit perfect...

Spot on and correct. Although the larger 2.8i calipers use the same pistons as the smaller calipers, the units are larger and offer more pad area. I've greenstuff pads on my 390Se and the bite as you say is brilliant.

[mrzigazaga]

pieeater said:

Vented discs are from the 2.8i Granada Mk 2 estate:.

I have the original 2 pot front calipers as fitted by TVR and the Granada estate rear vented discs...this is with a spacer kit fitted to the calipers...


Ziga