Richmond 20mph

[croyde]

After living in the borough for 2 months now, I'm finding it bloody annoying.

Especially going to work at 5am on a Sunday morning.

Plus now you have people dawdling along at 10/15mph.

Sorry I know it's wrong but I find myself doing a lot of overtakes on roads not really meant for it.

I see a lot worse too. Audi the other day tearing along on the wrong side of the road and staying right.

I maybe wrong but surely 20mph in a car is not good for fuel consumption or emissions.

[coldel]

Setting aside the recent gas issues in the area that has snared it all up, the 20mph on Sheen Lane is an absolute farce. Long open clear sight lines, and people struggling to stay under the limit i.e. repeated braking for no reason, or people dawdling quite badly as others have noted.

[Blib]

coldel said:

Setting aside the recent gas issues in the area that has snared it all up, the 20mph on Sheen Lane is an absolute farce. Long open clear sight lines, and people struggling to stay under the limit i.e. repeated braking for no reason, or people dawdling quite badly as others have noted.

While cyclists zoom by at 25-30.

[coldel]

It is funny that cyclists can cycle over speed limits and in fact not even have a speedometer on their bike. Really just shows that they can do what they like. Some are pretty considerate around our way, some are utterly horrific people who scream abuse at anyone not complying to their way of the world working, there are too many of those types unfortunately as they are heading to the Richmond Velodrome (Park)

[Blib]

The park is ridiculous. I'd split the carriageway in two. Make it one way for motorists, then either do the same for cyclists or split their lane in two again.

And, I'd put a bloody great big kerb down the middle.

[2gins]

There are a couple of petitions running on Change.org for those who feel strongly enough to sign and share around your real life and social networks.

I like the signage, I bet that's in Whitton/Heathfield.

[coldel]

2gins said:

There are a couple of petitions running on Change.org for those who feel strongly enough to sign and share around your real life and social networks.

I like the signage, I bet that's in Whitton/Heathfield.

To be honest they ignored any outcome of the consultation and just did it anyway. This wont make any difference.

[kev1974]

Gweeds said:

Good luck being able to do 20mph around Richmond anyway.

Quite possible after 7pm and up to 7am in virtually all of the borough.

This is my problem with the blanket 20mph limit, I hear what they say about children are more likely to survive if they're hit at 20mph than they are at 30mph, so fine be radical and make it a new sort of speed limit that applies during daytime from 7am-7pm then.

Upper Richmond Road is a mess now because parts of it are TfL controlled and so still 30mph (ironically the part where there are lots of pedestrians who might step out from behind buses etc), you have to keep a close eye of the various changes up and down between 20 and 30 in quite quick succession.

[kev1974]

coldel said:

Setting aside the recent gas issues in the area that has snared it all up, the 20mph on Sheen Lane is an absolute farce. Long open clear sight lines, and people struggling to stay under the limit i.e. repeated braking for no reason, or people dawdling quite badly as others have noted.

Do you mean Priory Lane as the straight one, Sheen Lane is proper twisty heading up to the park.

Priory Lane is the one where the cafe owner famously lost his marbles at a cyclist.

I believe Richmond Park itself is currently undergoing some sort of consultation as to the future of traffic inside the park and might lead to some of the gates being closed to traffic, or stronger enforcement of the supposed commercial vehicles ban, or maybe indeed a one way system as suggested a few posts above.

[Blib]

We live near sheen gate. Closing it to traffic would be a blessing and a curse for us. Obviously, the huge reduction in through traffic would be welcome. However, losing straightforward access to Kingston and Roehampton/A3 would be a pain.

[Trevatanus]

The problem with this, is now that's done, it can never be "undone", the mumsnet and Daily Wail brigade will just not allow it.

I had a similar discussion on a local Facebook Group (slight off topic as this was not in Richmond) when the council were talking about installing yet more speed humps.
I was against it, and got many many people coming out with "won't you think of the children!"
The irony being, the worst offenders are the mums in their 4x4's who are the worst offenders and not affected by the speed humps

[coldel]

kev1974 said:

Do you mean Priory Lane as the straight one, Sheen Lane is proper twisty heading up to the park.

Priory Lane is the one where the cafe owner famously lost his marbles at a cyclist.

I believe Richmond Park itself is currently undergoing some sort of consultation as to the future of traffic inside the park and might lead to some of the gates being closed to traffic, or stronger enforcement of the supposed commercial vehicles ban, or maybe indeed a one way system as suggested a few posts above.

My bad I meant Sheen Road.

The park is already a nightmare for cars, cyclists on the roundabouts literally pedal straight into moving traffic coming from the right ignoring any sort of highway code. The problem with closing it to traffic is that it causes huge congestion around the park in the roads which are not suitable for the amount of traffic they get. Its the usual punish the motorist / placate the cyclist attitude that is prevalent at the moment.

[kev1974]

Trevatanus said:

The problem with this, is now that's done, it can never be "undone", the mumsnet and Daily Wail brigade will just not allow it.

I had a similar discussion on a local Facebook Group (slight off topic as this was not in Richmond) when the council were talking about installing yet more speed humps.
I was against it, and got many many people coming out with "won't you think of the children!"
The irony being, the worst offenders are the mums in their 4x4's who are the worst offenders and not affected by the speed humps

Yup

And pizza/uber eats delivery drivers on scooters and motorbikes that whizz past at well over 30 if not 40. The blanket 20mph limit has done nothing to stop them hitting and knocking kids and pensioners 5 or 10m down the road, if anything I think they are faster now as they take more risks around the slower moving cars.

Edited by kev1974 on Wednesday 5th February 13:20

[slk 32]

croyde said:

After living in the borough for 2 months now, I'm finding it bloody annoying.

Especially going to work at 5am on a Sunday morning.

Plus now you have people dawdling along at 10/15mph.

Sorry I know it's wrong but I find myself doing a lot of overtakes on roads not really meant for it.

I see a lot worse too. Audi the other day tearing along on the wrong side of the road and staying right.

I maybe wrong but surely 20mph in a car is not good for fuel consumption or emissions.

^^^^^^^ exactly this.

increase in road rage and normally sensible drivers taking risks because some idiot is driving along at 16mph creating a massive tailback. Drivers focusing more on their speedo than the road ahead.

the idiots who drive badly all the time will continue to do so, all the 20mph limit has done is to push normally considerate and sensible drivers into taking risks ( and I'm guilty of it too)

[The Mad Monk]

kev1974 said:

heh heh someone is going around Richmond putting stickers over the streetlight repeater signs

In which election was this 71.6% figure realised?

[coldel]

Not sure what the 71% is but in a vote on this in Richmond 50% were against and 48% in favour, so they decided clearly that any win is a win even if it isn't and went ahead with it anyway.

[2gins]

I believe it relates to a social media campaign in Whitton, and the figure was 73% IIRC. So one ward where people could be bothered. The other end of the borough was more inclined the other way so it balanced out.

In justifying rolling out to Whitton anyway the council did note PTAL scores were low (1s and 2s on a 106 scale) and said they'd sort that out. Guess what. Nothing. (PTAL is public transport accessibility level, basically public transport is ste in Whitton. Only a couple of bus routes down the high street and nothing in the residential areas away from main roads).