Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
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Car-Matt said:
Ecoboost victim said:
. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant
And what interval does the handbook suggest that the coolant level is checked?That’s verbatim from every handbook of every car I’ve ever owned. They know how to cover their backs.
MJK 24 said:
Car-Matt said:
Ecoboost victim said:
. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant
And what interval does the handbook suggest that the coolant level is checked?That’s verbatim from every handbook of every car I’ve ever owned. They know how to cover their backs.
If you don’t follow the operating instructions supplied by the manufacturer the. Don’t be surprised if it goes wrong......
Car-Matt said:
MJK 24 said:
Car-Matt said:
Ecoboost victim said:
. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant
And what interval does the handbook suggest that the coolant level is checked?That’s verbatim from every handbook of every car I’ve ever owned. They know how to cover their backs.
If you don’t follow the operating instructions supplied by the manufacturer the. Don’t be surprised if it goes wrong......
Thank you to all who have contributed.
To pick out the main points from your comments:
1) A leading garage chain has a standing order for ecoboost engines, and can't keep up with demand. This indicates the frequency that this is happening.
2) Many people are of the opinion that, if a weekly manual check under the bonnet is needed to prevent a repair bill of £5000 and 6 weeks without a car, it needs emphasising at point of sale. A one liner in the manual doesn't cut it.
3) There should be a coolant level sensor, because the engine and exhaust manifold run at such a high temperature to the point where the engine cracks if there is a brief period of coolant malfunction.
Many people think this is a very rare event, I know it isn't due to the list of over 450 registrations on the face book group page which is only a subset of the actual failures, and i think last weeks coverage on the BBC speaks volumes. For these failures to happen within the first 5 years of a car's life is not acceptable.
Thank you to one and all! :-)
To pick out the main points from your comments:
1) A leading garage chain has a standing order for ecoboost engines, and can't keep up with demand. This indicates the frequency that this is happening.
2) Many people are of the opinion that, if a weekly manual check under the bonnet is needed to prevent a repair bill of £5000 and 6 weeks without a car, it needs emphasising at point of sale. A one liner in the manual doesn't cut it.
3) There should be a coolant level sensor, because the engine and exhaust manifold run at such a high temperature to the point where the engine cracks if there is a brief period of coolant malfunction.
Many people think this is a very rare event, I know it isn't due to the list of over 450 registrations on the face book group page which is only a subset of the actual failures, and i think last weeks coverage on the BBC speaks volumes. For these failures to happen within the first 5 years of a car's life is not acceptable.
Thank you to one and all! :-)
Ecoboost victim said:
Thank you to all who have contributed.
To pick out the main points from your comments:
1) A leading garage chain has a standing order for ecoboost engines, and can't keep up with demand. This indicates the frequency that this is happening.
2) Many people are of the opinion that, if a weekly manual check under the bonnet is needed to prevent a repair bill of £5000 and 6 weeks without a car, it needs emphasising at point of sale. A one liner in the manual doesn't cut it.
3) There should be a coolant level sensor, because the engine and exhaust manifold run at such a high temperature to the point where the engine cracks if there is a brief period of coolant malfunction.
Many people think this is a very rare event, I know it isn't due to the list of over 450 registrations on the face book group page which is only a subset of the actual failures, and i think last weeks coverage on the BBC speaks volumes. For these failures to happen within the first 5 years of a car's life is not acceptable.
Thank you to one and all! :-)
Whats the % of failures of total UK ecoboost failures vs Total ecoboost sales? Whats the % once you discount those who haven't stuck to the manufacturers servicing schedule? Whats the % once you further discount those who don't perform the checks as per the handbook? Whats the % once you dicount further again those failures that fall outside the warranty period and Ford don't offer the replacement free anyway?To pick out the main points from your comments:
1) A leading garage chain has a standing order for ecoboost engines, and can't keep up with demand. This indicates the frequency that this is happening.
2) Many people are of the opinion that, if a weekly manual check under the bonnet is needed to prevent a repair bill of £5000 and 6 weeks without a car, it needs emphasising at point of sale. A one liner in the manual doesn't cut it.
3) There should be a coolant level sensor, because the engine and exhaust manifold run at such a high temperature to the point where the engine cracks if there is a brief period of coolant malfunction.
Many people think this is a very rare event, I know it isn't due to the list of over 450 registrations on the face book group page which is only a subset of the actual failures, and i think last weeks coverage on the BBC speaks volumes. For these failures to happen within the first 5 years of a car's life is not acceptable.
Thank you to one and all! :-)
How does this compare to failure rates from other comparable manufacturers ie Vauxhall, Renault, Nissan, etc ?
Without any of that info and a lot more your crusade is nonsense at best.
My 2015 1.0 had a slow coolant leak from the front cover seal. This was actually picked up at the main dealer on one of those "complimentary health checks" which I thought were just an opportunity to sell unnecessary brake disc changes etc. A ten hour job to fix under warranty.
I still love the engine and am intending to buy another one for my next car.
I still love the engine and am intending to buy another one for my next car.
Car-Matt said:
Whats the % of failures of total UK ecoboost failures vs Total ecoboost sales? Whats the % once you discount those who haven't stuck to the manufacturers servicing schedule? Whats the % once you further discount those who don't perform the checks as per the handbook? Whats the % once you dicount further again those failures that fall outside the warranty period and Ford don't offer the replacement free anyway?
How does this compare to failure rates from other comparable manufacturers ie Vauxhall, Renault, Nissan, etc ?
Without any of that info and a lot more your crusade is nonsense at best
The fact that there are a large number and that they're clubbing together and that the mainstream press are picking up on it tells you there is an issue. To dismiss it as nonsense is disengenuous.How does this compare to failure rates from other comparable manufacturers ie Vauxhall, Renault, Nissan, etc ?
Without any of that info and a lot more your crusade is nonsense at best
Manufacturers make mistakes all of the time that need addressing after the event.
Rover head gaskets, Mercedes amazing water perforated steel, Porsche melting engines, Honda synchros, BMW failing camchains, Audi cokehead 4.2s, Fiery Ferraris, VW diesel emmissions, Ford Explorer killer carpets, Ford RS bendy cylinder heads and on and on and on....
53catalina said:
Has anyone experienced a failed engine? 1.0Ecoboost in a Focus Titanium
After 11 months and 31,000miles the engine in our car stopped and was recovered to a local ford dealer. After some discussions Ford replaced the engine, asking the dealership not to touch the engine, just replace it. With this being a newly launched engine and our car being high mileage we assumed Ford were taking the cautious route to make sure it was not an inherent problem with the engine. There cant be many cars with this high mileage.
Obviously we were pleased to have a new engine, all was fine.
However, after another 11 months and 31,000miles (Exactly the same time period) the engine has failed again. Whilst there was an obvious loss of water when the car had stopped, this all happened really quickly. As soon as the light came on, the car was pulled over and shut down.
Have we just been really unlucky? Or has anyone else suffered problems?
Well Tonight thought i would check fluid levels and what .. NO COOLANT ... this happened 16 months ago 30000 miles and had to get a replacement engine Ford would contribute 50% was 12 months out of warranty . Still cost me £2000 in the end .. 15000 miles later and is this the end of the second engine ??? A phone call to local dealer in the morning and see where i go from here .. and yes it will be more money juat for them to look at it ... surely there must be an issue with these ecoboost 1.0 engines ..??? After 11 months and 31,000miles the engine in our car stopped and was recovered to a local ford dealer. After some discussions Ford replaced the engine, asking the dealership not to touch the engine, just replace it. With this being a newly launched engine and our car being high mileage we assumed Ford were taking the cautious route to make sure it was not an inherent problem with the engine. There cant be many cars with this high mileage.
Obviously we were pleased to have a new engine, all was fine.
However, after another 11 months and 31,000miles (Exactly the same time period) the engine has failed again. Whilst there was an obvious loss of water when the car had stopped, this all happened really quickly. As soon as the light came on, the car was pulled over and shut down.
Have we just been really unlucky? Or has anyone else suffered problems?
Wow what a joke that is. You shouldn’t have had to contribute anything even if it was out of warranty it’s a known fault that should not happen on a newish low mileage car.
I considered a mk3 Focus a few times as a run around but gave up trying to find one with the old reliable 1.6 engine in that they done on the 2011/2012 models before scrapping it.
Look at all the old mk1’s still going strong with the 1.6 Zetec engine in having covered well over 100k miles I’m just not convinced these new ecoboost engines will last 15-20 years like the older 1.6 it replaced. Same with the Mondeo having a 1.0 and 1.5 ecoboost Petrol engine. Give me the old reliable 2.0 and 2.5 out of the mk3 any day.
I considered a mk3 Focus a few times as a run around but gave up trying to find one with the old reliable 1.6 engine in that they done on the 2011/2012 models before scrapping it.
Look at all the old mk1’s still going strong with the 1.6 Zetec engine in having covered well over 100k miles I’m just not convinced these new ecoboost engines will last 15-20 years like the older 1.6 it replaced. Same with the Mondeo having a 1.0 and 1.5 ecoboost Petrol engine. Give me the old reliable 2.0 and 2.5 out of the mk3 any day.
Dvkir1 said:
Well Tonight thought i would check fluid levels and what .. NO COOLANT ... this happened 16 months ago 30000 miles and had to get a replacement engine Ford would contribute 50% was 12 months out of warranty . Still cost me £2000 in the end .. 15000 miles later and is this the end of the second engine ??? A phone call to local dealer in the morning and see where i go from here .. and yes it will be more money juat for them to look at it ... surely there must be an issue with these ecoboost 1.0 engines ..???
Was the second engine mapped?The leaking problem is not for new 1.0 l ecoboost any more it was a problem with the first 2 or 3 years of manufacturing. All tlong test of reliability made by the best (ex. DEKRA) say that 1.0l ecoboost reliability is very high. The same problem is now detected with some 1.6 l ecoboost engines and RS. Ford should take much more care.
We have had a coolant leak on our 1.6T ecoboost; had the recall work done in March, but found it was still losing coolant.
My mrs noted her foot kept slipping off the clutch puddle, which lead her to discovering a coolant soaked carpet and drivers footwell = failed heater matrix
The 800GBP extended Ford warranty we took out in 2014 at purchase which expires in December has just more than repaid itself (200 GBP parts + 2 full days labour)
Not read this whole thread, but there is a Facebook group setup for Ecoboost victims - maybe of use
My mrs noted her foot kept slipping off the clutch puddle, which lead her to discovering a coolant soaked carpet and drivers footwell = failed heater matrix
The 800GBP extended Ford warranty we took out in 2014 at purchase which expires in December has just more than repaid itself (200 GBP parts + 2 full days labour)
Not read this whole thread, but there is a Facebook group setup for Ecoboost victims - maybe of use
Car-Matt said:
janesmith1950 said:
I shouldn't have to check the coolant manually. Or the oil.
Which can only be described as the actions/opinions of an idiot if the handbook for the car says how often to do so.Best of luck with your legal action LOL
The M3 doesn't have a dipstick and will warn me through iDrive if there's an issue. In fact it did a few weeks back, needed a litre of oil, which it warned me of in good time, so I topped it up.
Or are you suggesting BMW are wrong for suggesting I use the tools they provide?
janesmith1950 said:
What legal action and why?
The M3 doesn't have a dipstick and will warn me through iDrive if there's an issue. In fact it did a few weeks back, needed a litre of oil, which it warned me of in good time, so I topped it up.
Or are you suggesting BMW are wrong for suggesting I use the tools they provide?
Head in the sand argument. The M3 doesn't have a dipstick and will warn me through iDrive if there's an issue. In fact it did a few weeks back, needed a litre of oil, which it warned me of in good time, so I topped it up.
Or are you suggesting BMW are wrong for suggesting I use the tools they provide?
Some cars aren't BMWs. Some cars still have a dipstick and temp gauge that require you to occasionally look at them. If the manufacturer has given you written instructions, as they do, in the manual, to check the levels every week, and you fail to do so, you only have yourself to blame if the levels drop and it lets go.
I agree that in the case of an inherent problem, the manufacturer should be getting involved, but if this is the case, and is well known, as in this case, all the more reason to be diligent. Or stop driving it if you can't be bothered to have a look.
You say yourself your BMW needed a litre of oil. If it had a dipstick instead of a dash display, would you have still bought it? And if so, who would you have blamed if you didn't check the dipstick and it had gone bang?
Jokka said:
The leaking problem is not for new 1.0 l ecoboost any more it was a problem with the first 2 or 3 years of manufacturing. All tlong test of reliability made by the best (ex. DEKRA) say that 1.0l ecoboost reliability is very high. The same problem is now detected with some 1.6 l ecoboost engines and RS. Ford should take much more care.
The faults with the RS was because Ford fitted the wrong head gasket to a run of cars. It isn't because there is a design flaw with the engine. SturdyHSV said:
Presumably that's price of the new engine and labour cost?
Otherwise, just sayin'...
http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
(I know it isn't suitable, I just wanted to highlight how cheap it is)
I bought the next one up in their range to replace my PRV in my GTA :0)Otherwise, just sayin'...
http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
(I know it isn't suitable, I just wanted to highlight how cheap it is)
Heaveho said:
Head in the sand argument.
Some cars aren't BMWs. Some cars still have a dipstick and temp gauge that require you to occasionally look at them. If the manufacturer has given you written instructions, as they do, in the manual, to check the levels every week, and you fail to do so, you only have yourself to blame if the levels drop and it lets go.
I agree that in the case of an inherent problem, the manufacturer should be getting involved, but if this is the case, and is well known, as in this case, all the more reason to be diligent. Or stop driving it if you can't be bothered to have a look.
You say yourself your BMW needed a litre of oil. If it had a dipstick instead of a dash display, would you have still bought it? And if so, who would you have blamed if you didn't check the dipstick and it had gone bang?
If it has the technology I'll use that. If it has a dipstick, I'll check that. If the manufacturer is such a dipstick the cooling system isn't fit for purpose, I'll look to the manufacturer.Some cars aren't BMWs. Some cars still have a dipstick and temp gauge that require you to occasionally look at them. If the manufacturer has given you written instructions, as they do, in the manual, to check the levels every week, and you fail to do so, you only have yourself to blame if the levels drop and it lets go.
I agree that in the case of an inherent problem, the manufacturer should be getting involved, but if this is the case, and is well known, as in this case, all the more reason to be diligent. Or stop driving it if you can't be bothered to have a look.
You say yourself your BMW needed a litre of oil. If it had a dipstick instead of a dash display, would you have still bought it? And if so, who would you have blamed if you didn't check the dipstick and it had gone bang?
I've run enough cars over enough years and miles to know how to look after them. I'm interested in them and how they run. I'm in a minority. Most people running an Ecoboost commuter-box have no interest. They shouldn't have to buy a new car and find it fails unless the coolant level is under weekly scrutiny.
We don't live in the 60s, 70s or 80s any more and new cars from mainstream manufacturers should not need constant checking up on. It doesn't mean 'we' can't do it, it means we shouldn't have to.
FFS.
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