1.0 Ecoboost Remaps ?

1.0 Ecoboost Remaps ?

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GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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Even the Ford dealer I bought my 1.0 from told me not to bluefin tune it as his son had done so and blown it up a week later,

There are differences between the engines, not just different maps.

The 140 Red/Black editions have a number of different upgrades including to the transmissions.

Hope your going to tell your insurance company as well.


poing

8,743 posts

199 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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It's 140bhp for Gods sake, he's not taking it 250bhp! Bunch of old grannies on here these days.

I doubt Ford do very much to the 140 over the 125 and in turn over the 100, I also suspect the tuning company doesn't need a bad name so blowing cars up would not be in their best interest. Can someone point us all at these exploding engines?

HGFdodger

269 posts

127 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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GTIAlex said:
The 140 Red/Black editions have a number of different upgrades including to the transmissions.
This is what I'd have thought was the issue with the remap. You're increasing the power by around 40%, how do you know everything will be able to cope? The brakes and transmission are surely not going to be able to handle it?

I'd have just got some breathing modifications, maybe have a play with the suspension and get some good tyres on there. 100bhp is more than enough if you drive it right wink

Midshipracer

229 posts

181 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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poing said:
It's 140bhp for Gods sake, he's not taking it 250bhp! Bunch of old grannies on here these days.

I doubt Ford do very much to the 140 over the 125 and in turn over the 100, I also suspect the tuning company doesn't need a bad name so blowing cars up would not be in their best interest. Can someone point us all at these exploding engines?
It does matter if it's 200bhp or 2000bhp. Your engine components need to be able to take the power you want to go to.

Unless you have concrete proof the components don't change through the power range all you're doing is playing roulette with how long the car works before it goes pop.

Any tuner or manufacturer know when you up the power parts need to be stronger


Sure your engine could take 140bhp but for how long? If you wanted the power why didn't you start with the 140bhp engine in the first place? There is usually no such thing as free power

J4CKO

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41,279 posts

199 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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GTIAlex said:
Even the Ford dealer I bought my 1.0 from told me not to bluefin tune it as his son had done so and blown it up a week later,

There are differences between the engines, not just different maps.

The 140 Red/Black editions have a number of different upgrades including to the transmissions.

Hope your going to tell your insurance company as well.
Yeah because the Ford dealer doesn't have any vested interest of course ?

Ford are plonking this engine in just about everything, they build one unit and then software tune it, so the 100 is a downgraded 125/140, the other models aren't any different internally and the only anecdotal evidence i have heard of differences I heard of are the turbos being made of different stuff which was based on a different part number.

I'f we "blow it up" then I will source a second hand unit from a breakers and crack out the spanners and fit it, about 800 quid to a grand plus my time.

Insurance will be adjusted accordingly, we enquired about the remap when we bought the car and they gave us a price and made a note on the file, was quite reasonable.

It will, most of the time not be hammered mercilessly, just normal use by my wife so should be fine, if not, deal with it like I have done in the past when I have broken a car.

I would love to know the actual "differences", can't imagine Ford bother with different gearboxes, the rods, crank etc will be the same as there won't be any point in spending them differently, the increase is forty percent but from the downgraded version, it's about 12 percent increase from the 125 and Ford do a 140 bhp version anyway.

Edited by J4CKO on Monday 10th August 23:18

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

149 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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EPeople have been boosting the power on otherwise standard cars with remaps/ chips for years.
A Saab 9-3 2.0T for example, can be remapped from 150bhp to 225bhp on standard eveything, A megane 225 will go to 250, scoobys can go from 215 to 250-60 with nothing more than a remap and a de- cat.

There's plenty of cars running stupid Bhp from nothing more than bolt ons with standard internals, there seems to be a very negative attitude towards people enjoying THIER cars..

I've driven a few 125bhp EcoBoost fiestas and they are superb, 140bhp will be a riot! Enjoy it J4cko thumbup

J4CKO

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41,279 posts

199 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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Cheers Buff, it just feels pegged back, have remapped cars before with no issues, I will provide a report and updates as we go so others can decide if it's so worth doing, could be a disaster or might be a rather reasonable warm hatch, main thing is she has a bit more grunt to play with as sometimes it is a bit borderline, hills with four people in for example

Dan Friel

3,614 posts

277 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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The engine won't have any issue with 140bhp.. Ford are using this engine in the Fiesta R2 rally car with 170bhp, and they wouldn't risk reliability.

You need to be slightly wary of the transmission, and that's why Ford won't warranty anything from Mountune beyond 140bhp. My Red Edition has a torque limiter in 1st and 2nd gear, and I'd be surprised if the Superchips map has this.

coppice

8,561 posts

143 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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I have a 125 Focus which is fine but it certainly could do with a little more go.If revved hard it zips along well but although it will accept high gears at amazingly low revs it won't do much more than gain momentum at a glacial pace from those speeds . But a 1200+ kilo car with a tiny engine- what should I expect really ?

What I struggle to understand is why Ford produce a 140 for the smaller Fiesta but not for the Focus . Any plans on horizon ?

Fab engine though - amazingly refined and what noise it does make is very cultured in a baby 911 sort of way.

Dan Friel

3,614 posts

277 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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coppice said:
What I struggle to understand is why Ford produce a 140 for the smaller Fiesta but not for the Focus . Any plans on horizon ?
Focus already gets the 1.5T 150PS engine.. so hard to justify another engine between that and the 125PS version.

coppice

8,561 posts

143 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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True- but as three is the new four I'd love the pokier version of the 1 litre.

J4CKO

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41,279 posts

199 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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Well, got it installed and what a transformation !

Its gone from useful but a bit tame to feeling pretty quick, even my wife who is not normally impressed by such things can tell its made a big difference.

Easy enough to install, only added complication was having to remove the unit once it had downloaded the original ecu code and then install some pc software and upload it from the unit to Superchips as I suspect there may be revisions of the map or different versions of the engine and they need to check, email came back straight away with a download link which uploads to the handheld and then I plugged it back in the car, ten minutes later it said it was done.

I would say its in the eight and a bit to sixty bracket, Fords own 140 bhp version does it in nine but this map apparently gives it more torque. Not going to be hunting down GTR's but it feels like it could give a few other cars a bit of a shock, sort of a minor sleeper/Q car thing thing going on as there is no sporty anything on it to give the game away that it isnt the usual 60/70 bhp.

Recommended !

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

187 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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(boring mode on)
Be interesting to see what MPG it now does with the map, could almost render a small diesel hatch irrelevant (which is what I was using to commute in until recently)
(boring mode off)

I bet it feels pretty fruity now?

Being a turbo, would an aftermarket exhaust help free up some more horses / quicker spool up?

smithyithy

7,191 posts

117 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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Reminds me of the old Uno Turbo and Charade GTTi, 40% power increases with a bleed valve. Terrifically quick matchboxes until they went pop laugh

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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J4CKO said:
I would say its in the eight and a bit to sixty bracket, Fords own 140 bhp version does it in nine but this map apparently gives it more torque. Not going to be hunting down GTR's but it feels like it could give a few other cars a bit of a shock, sort of a minor sleeper/Q car thing thing going on as there is no sporty anything on it to give the game away that it isnt the usual 60/70 bhp.

Recommended !
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit quicker even.
The heavier Polo GT with round the same power gets there in low to mid 7s depending on box

J4CKO

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41,279 posts

199 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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C.A.R. said:
(boring mode on)
Be interesting to see what MPG it now does with the map, could almost render a small diesel hatch irrelevant (which is what I was using to commute in until recently)
(boring mode off)

I bet it feels pretty fruity now?

Being a turbo, would an aftermarket exhaust help free up some more horses / quicker spool up?
Yes, definitely feels fruitier, got to nip into work for an hour (im off this week) so will go in it and have a longer drive in it.

Not going to do anything else to it, for £399 its immense value per bhp delivered but after that its the law of diminishing returns.

MPG wise, will be interesting, its my wifes car and she like to have some power available but wont be caning it everywhere, it was doing 42 locally so will see if that dips, but to be honest I am not going to worry too much, wondering if its worth sticking SUL in though ?

GTID

146 posts

117 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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Dan Friel said:
The engine won't have any issue with 140bhp.. Ford are using this engine in the Fiesta R2 rally car with 170bhp, and they wouldn't risk reliability.
That isn't on standard internals though.. and I believe its around the 185bhp mark.

lickatysplit

470 posts

129 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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I'm an advocate for mild modding to cars, but I do always question why people will spend money upgrading a lower model when a sport (or in this case ST) model is available?

Entirely up to you as the owner but should it not be wiser to get the ST as it will have the parts that should last longer with the extra output?

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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lickatysplit said:
I'm an advocate for mild modding to cars, but I do always question why people will spend money upgrading a lower model when a sport (or in this case ST) model is available?

Entirely up to you as the owner but should it not be wiser to get the ST as it will have the parts that should last longer with the extra output?
The ST is a 1.6 Ecoboost to start with, not a 1.0.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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poing said:
Pumaspeed do a 205BHP kit for the 1.0 engine: http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-Ford-Fiesta-10T...

OK it's a wee bit more than a remap and it's £2400 but they do lower power remaps too. I'm not sure if the work can be done on the 100BHP version, I'd have thought that technically there can't be too much that's different. They seem to cover most Fords so I'd give them a call.

I don't know specifically for this engine, but as a rule different output models might use a different spec turbo (larger), different injectors, maybe different cam, might require a higher flow fuel pump and maybe even different engine internals.