1.0 Ecoboost Remaps ?
Discussion
I love the engine in my 140 ecoboost, average around 45mpg, at low speeds you get very good torque around 1600rpm and the engine is very rewarding if you take it to 6K rpm when you want a bit of fun, chassis is brilliant but not as composed or eager as the ST. Better than the ST for everyday but doesn't have the magic that the ST does as a package. I can't see comparing a mapped 140 to an ST really worth it either as I had my ST mapped and various mods and it was in another league to the 140.
I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
neil1jnr said:
I love the engine in my 140 ecoboost, average around 45mpg, at low speeds you get very good torque around 1600rpm and the engine is very rewarding if you take it to 6K rpm when you want a bit of fun, chassis is brilliant but not as composed or eager as the ST. Better than the ST for everyday but doesn't have the magic that the ST does as a package. I can't see comparing a mapped 140 to an ST really worth it either as I had my ST mapped and various mods and it was in another league to the 140.
I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
Had the 140 and the St and would take the ST every single day. The 140 is not in the same league. I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
GTIAlex said:
neil1jnr said:
I love the engine in my 140 ecoboost, average around 45mpg, at low speeds you get very good torque around 1600rpm and the engine is very rewarding if you take it to 6K rpm when you want a bit of fun, chassis is brilliant but not as composed or eager as the ST. Better than the ST for everyday but doesn't have the magic that the ST does as a package. I can't see comparing a mapped 140 to an ST really worth it either as I had my ST mapped and various mods and it was in another league to the 140.
I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
Had the 140 and the St and would take the ST every single day. The 140 is not in the same league. I'd like to drive a Swift sport to compare but I don't think I'd go back to a non turbo as a daily, I'd miss the easier progress from the torque.
J4CKO said:
I found this bit of info about the specific turbocharger differences between the 100 and 125 versions,
"The turbine wheel in the 100PS version is made from an alloy called IN713C and the 125PS version is MARM246"
Any Metallurgists/Engineeres (Max Torque you there ?) in who can confirm whether that sounds plausible ?
The 140 (Red/Black) version can be remapped to 177 bhp and 200 lb/ft so there may be some physical difference there as well.
Really interested to get to the bottom of the differences and specific capabilities, early days yet but this unit could make an amazing, compact conversion for other stuff. Wonder what the highest mileage ones have on now and whether, apart from the coolant pipe issue, what other failures there have been, if any ? what will that bottom end take, have heard mention of the ST turbo being fitted.
Hi Jacko"The turbine wheel in the 100PS version is made from an alloy called IN713C and the 125PS version is MARM246"
Any Metallurgists/Engineeres (Max Torque you there ?) in who can confirm whether that sounds plausible ?
The 140 (Red/Black) version can be remapped to 177 bhp and 200 lb/ft so there may be some physical difference there as well.
Really interested to get to the bottom of the differences and specific capabilities, early days yet but this unit could make an amazing, compact conversion for other stuff. Wonder what the highest mileage ones have on now and whether, apart from the coolant pipe issue, what other failures there have been, if any ? what will that bottom end take, have heard mention of the ST turbo being fitted.
The quote about the materials is from me (on a Ford website, I believe). I am a metallurgist but also developed the original process for manufacturing this turbine wheel for Continental. This was the first turbo developed by Continental and I believe the design is on the 'safe' side. Both turbine wheels have exactly the same geometry with the only difference being the material used. You can tell the difference by the letter on the nose of the casting.
Mike
[quote=GTID]Had some experience mapping these engines, albeit not for road use. Quite Impressive little things, can certainly handle more power. Just how far you want to push it is up to you though. *WE FOUND THE TIMING CHAIN TENSIONERS WERE GIVING UP BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE*, saw one at around 180bhp and 210lb/ft with standard internals but that was on the ragged edge!
Good, those are only a few pence to replace when they go, not like it effects anything else on the engine when it happens !!!!!!!
Good, those are only a few pence to replace when they go, not like it effects anything else on the engine when it happens !!!!!!!
I've got a bog standard 2014 Ecoboost 100 and have been following this thread with interest.
I'm interested in getting it done but, never having had an engine mapped before, I'm nervous about anything untoward happening as a result. Plus the stock engine is great fun even with just 100bhp.
It is very tempting though. Perhaps when my warranty expires I shall have to grow a pair and get it done.
I'm interested in getting it done but, never having had an engine mapped before, I'm nervous about anything untoward happening as a result. Plus the stock engine is great fun even with just 100bhp.
It is very tempting though. Perhaps when my warranty expires I shall have to grow a pair and get it done.
IanCress said:
I find it strange that Ford have used different materials for the turbo on two engines that are other identical.
The 100ps and 125ps engines both produce the same max torque, so why go to the expense of developing two almost identical turbo chargers?
At a guess, striking a balance between exhaust gas temperature and creep. Both Inco713 and the MARM are high nickel content superalloys. The 100ps and 125ps engines both produce the same max torque, so why go to the expense of developing two almost identical turbo chargers?
BigMon said:
I've got a bog standard 2014 Ecoboost 100 and have been following this thread with interest.
I'm interested in getting it done but, never having had an engine mapped before, I'm nervous about anything untoward happening as a result. Plus the stock engine is great fun even with just 100bhp.
It is very tempting though. Perhaps when my warranty expires I shall have to grow a pair and get it done.
On the fiesta? I wouldn't advise it, the gearbox simply cannot take much more, the 140 models are basically pushing the limit of the gearbox, lots of people have had their first/second gear sI'm interested in getting it done but, never having had an engine mapped before, I'm nervous about anything untoward happening as a result. Plus the stock engine is great fun even with just 100bhp.
It is very tempting though. Perhaps when my warranty expires I shall have to grow a pair and get it done.
t itself because of too much torque from remapsrampageturke said:
On the fiesta? I wouldn't advise it, the gearbox simply cannot take much more, the 140 models are basically pushing the limit of the gearbox, lots of people have had their first/second gear st itself because of too much torque from remaps
Yes, on the Fiesta.t itself because of too much torque from remapsThe OP has had it done and hasn't experienced any issues AFAIK. Where are people complaining about breaking their gearboxes after a remap, is it on a Ford forum or something similar (and if it is would you mind posting a link)?
BigMon said:
rampageturke said:
On the fiesta? I wouldn't advise it, the gearbox simply cannot take much more, the 140 models are basically pushing the limit of the gearbox, lots of people have had their first/second gear st itself because of too much torque from remaps
Yes, on the Fiesta.t itself because of too much torque from remapsThe OP has had it done and hasn't experienced any issues AFAIK. Where are people complaining about breaking their gearboxes after a remap, is it on a Ford forum or something similar (and if it is would you mind posting a link)?
mike9009 said:
J4CKO said:
I found this bit of info about the specific turbocharger differences between the 100 and 125 versions,
"The turbine wheel in the 100PS version is made from an alloy called IN713C and the 125PS version is MARM246"
Any Metallurgists/Engineeres (Max Torque you there ?) in who can confirm whether that sounds plausible ?
The 140 (Red/Black) version can be remapped to 177 bhp and 200 lb/ft so there may be some physical difference there as well.
Really interested to get to the bottom of the differences and specific capabilities, early days yet but this unit could make an amazing, compact conversion for other stuff. Wonder what the highest mileage ones have on now and whether, apart from the coolant pipe issue, what other failures there have been, if any ? what will that bottom end take, have heard mention of the ST turbo being fitted.
Hi Jacko"The turbine wheel in the 100PS version is made from an alloy called IN713C and the 125PS version is MARM246"
Any Metallurgists/Engineeres (Max Torque you there ?) in who can confirm whether that sounds plausible ?
The 140 (Red/Black) version can be remapped to 177 bhp and 200 lb/ft so there may be some physical difference there as well.
Really interested to get to the bottom of the differences and specific capabilities, early days yet but this unit could make an amazing, compact conversion for other stuff. Wonder what the highest mileage ones have on now and whether, apart from the coolant pipe issue, what other failures there have been, if any ? what will that bottom end take, have heard mention of the ST turbo being fitted.
The quote about the materials is from me (on a Ford website, I believe). I am a metallurgist but also developed the original process for manufacturing this turbine wheel for Continental. This was the first turbo developed by Continental and I believe the design is on the 'safe' side. Both turbine wheels have exactly the same geometry with the only difference being the material used. You can tell the difference by the letter on the nose of the casting.
Mike
its the wifes car and she loves it, she wont have anything "premium" being a bit of an inverted snob, I call her comrade J4CKO with her communist approach to motoring
So a Ford it is, a granny spec Zetec 5 door one I wanted one as much as Gout but she thought it was great, test drove it and she said it didnt quite have enough "oompf" for her so I explained that these could be remapped, ordered it from my sun longer on holiday and it arrived the day after we got back, she tried it and came back grinning, it was good before in a adequate way with 100 bhp but it has made it decently quick, think decent 90s hot hatch kind of poke, kind of a minor sleeper.
Did a drive a few weeks back at night and it is shocking how quickly you can punt it along, it gathers speed well enough and you can carry it through the corners even though the suspension is actually pretty soft, hate to say it but I suspect I would be quicker in this than my CLS, despite it having over two and a half times more power.
Not great on fuel but that is more usage and her penchant for being one gear lower than she should be, I dont mention it as it never ends well.
Hi Guys,
New to the forum, but thought i'd 'chip' in on this thread.
I have a 2014 1.0 Ecoboost Focus 125 bhp stock, which has been remapped to 158 bhp by Celtic Tuning. I specifically had it done just as the vehicle went out of the Ford base warranty and would likely go with this approach in the future. I also own the car outright its not on PCH or PCP. I have had the remap now since Aug 2017. The remap took me a couple of days to get used to in terms of how it performed under certain driving conditions. I had the rev limiter extended to 7k RPM too which helps with holding the power on longer overtakes or motorway. Minimal change in mpg with city driving and slightly better on longer motorway runs when driving at ~70 mph can get it to 43.
I have noticed that when driven hard the engine is certainly put under additional pressure, a slightly subjective assessment, but I can tell when I park up the amount of heat sitting in the engine bay and fan running longer to cool on engine switch off etc. I have recently had to replace my coolant reservoir cap due to degraded performance of the unit, car has done 37k. I am not sure if this was a direct link to the remap and additional temp/pressure created or just needed replacing due to simple wear and tear. I have heard these can go. FYI my car was just out of the <2014 DEGAS hose recall as it had been fitted with the newer hose units.
I have also had to replace brake pads sooner than expected due to higher speed to braking ratio with the additional power, went with Brembo's.
To summarise, I would certainly recommend the remap by this tuner, cost £360 inc VAT and took about 2 hours. There is a noticeable difference in power and pulling torque on overtakes and makes the car (with its weight) hard to keep up with at times, even by more warmer hatch standards. It can surprise certain drivers when you get a mark on them.
New to the forum, but thought i'd 'chip' in on this thread.
I have a 2014 1.0 Ecoboost Focus 125 bhp stock, which has been remapped to 158 bhp by Celtic Tuning. I specifically had it done just as the vehicle went out of the Ford base warranty and would likely go with this approach in the future. I also own the car outright its not on PCH or PCP. I have had the remap now since Aug 2017. The remap took me a couple of days to get used to in terms of how it performed under certain driving conditions. I had the rev limiter extended to 7k RPM too which helps with holding the power on longer overtakes or motorway. Minimal change in mpg with city driving and slightly better on longer motorway runs when driving at ~70 mph can get it to 43.
I have noticed that when driven hard the engine is certainly put under additional pressure, a slightly subjective assessment, but I can tell when I park up the amount of heat sitting in the engine bay and fan running longer to cool on engine switch off etc. I have recently had to replace my coolant reservoir cap due to degraded performance of the unit, car has done 37k. I am not sure if this was a direct link to the remap and additional temp/pressure created or just needed replacing due to simple wear and tear. I have heard these can go. FYI my car was just out of the <2014 DEGAS hose recall as it had been fitted with the newer hose units.
I have also had to replace brake pads sooner than expected due to higher speed to braking ratio with the additional power, went with Brembo's.
To summarise, I would certainly recommend the remap by this tuner, cost £360 inc VAT and took about 2 hours. There is a noticeable difference in power and pulling torque on overtakes and makes the car (with its weight) hard to keep up with at times, even by more warmer hatch standards. It can surprise certain drivers when you get a mark on them.
Leogon123 said:
I have noticed that when driven hard the engine is certainly put under additional pressure, a slightly subjective assessment, but I can tell when I park up the amount of heat sitting in the engine bay and fan running longer to cool on engine switch off etc. I have recently had to replace my coolant reservoir cap due to degraded performance of the unit, car has done 37k. I am not sure if this was a direct link to the remap and additional temp/pressure created or just needed replacing due to simple wear and tear. I have heard these can go. FYI my car was just out of the <2014 DEGAS hose recall as it had been fitted with the newer hose units.
That paragraph worries me slightly. I've had cars chipped before but never noticed excessive temperatures, and the fan shouldn't have to run on when parking up unless you've been sat stationary for a period of time.Hope your cars proves us wrong and doesn't go pop shortly!
Boobonman said:
I drove a Focus last week with the 140bhp engine e and I’ve got to say, it felt slow. Felt more like 90bhp, though I think that is exacerbated by the heavy flywheel feel in these engines. Do they loosen up with a few miles on them?
Had a 125 for a couple of weeks as a hire car. It was OK. The heavy flywheel effect i think may be due to the programming. I found smooth changes very difficult at high revs due the revs not dropping immediately. A lot of modern cars seem to have this effect. I would think this effect could be mapped out?This had done 12k of presumably hard miles. Probably the equivalent of double that on a privately owned car. Fuel consumption wasn't great i thought. Best was mid 40s driving very carefully.
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