Ford 'powershift' equipped cars

[angels95]

I find the Powershift 'box to be terrible, particularly at low speeds. Way too many revs when pulling away and very jerky/indecisive.

[Limpet]

We're using a 1-series as our family car at the moment. We have 2 kids aged 12 and 10. Plenty of space for them, and a decent sized boot as well.

[Ozerob]

Have a google on Ford power shift problems in Australia. They're heaps of problems with the clutches wearing out within 30,000 kms and Ford trying to fob people off with a software upgrade and a new clutch pack.
It's not long before it's back again for more of the same, they're lots of low milage ones for sale secondhand as people try and offload them before they become unsellable.

[FiF]

The bottom line for me is that I'd have no issues having another Powering transmission or other dual clutch affair but only if it had a wet clutch. Dry clutch no thanks as from what it seems these are not as durable and changes to the programming to give the clutch an easier time means the vehicle driving experience is different, eg delayed launch when stopped at a junction roundabout which is just one example.

There's some argument that Ford have solved the issue with oil leaks onto the clutch plates causing juddering but there are still other issues imo.

[omniflow]

Would I be right in thinking that a 2013 Mondeo with a "240 PS" engine would be a wet clutch system?

I test drove one a couple of days ago, and thought it was fine. Actually, more than fine, I thought it was really good. Mind you I didn't try any hill starts, or reversing up hill. It's also probably worth pointing out that I the only other autobox car I have experience of driving is an E61 M5, and I thought that was fine too.

[Stants]

Argh ! Too much conflicting info, some bad some good, how am I going to know which box has a wet clutch, the ford oc is a bit quiet I've asked questions there and am still awaiting replies,
I take it the gearbox code will be on the vin plate ? I'll have a Google of the code once I get to view them,

There's another two fairly local to us so the next plan is to try and drive them all back to back and compare, against the one that he's already seen.

He's decided against anything rwd as he's worried about my mum launching it backwards through a hedge on wet roads, so looks like we're back to a ford,

[FiF]

omniflow said:

Would I be right in thinking that a 2013 Mondeo with a "240 PS" engine would be a wet clutch system?

I test drove one a couple of days ago, and thought it was fine. Actually, more than fine, I thought it was really good. Mind you I didn't try any hill starts, or reversing up hill. It's also probably worth pointing out that I the only other autobox car I have experience of driving is an E61 M5, and I thought that was fine too.

Yes, wet clutch on that.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ford/mondeo/f...

Is that the model?

[HJMS123]

They sound very much comparable with the VAG DSG boxes then .... avoid the dry clutch boxes as they have a much higher failure rate

[OddCat]

Sorry to ressurect an old thread, but does anyone know which gearbox this has:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...

Thanks

[mholt1995]

OddCat said:

Sorry to ressurect an old thread, but does anyone know which gearbox this has:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...

Thanks

Ford/GM 6F35 - 6 speed automatic. I.e. a conventional torque converter, not a dual clutch transmission.

[FiF]

I'll bow out as I thought the 6F35 came in on the Focus in 2016. Pass

[OddCat]

mholt1995 said:

OddCat said:

Sorry to ressurect an old thread, but does anyone know which gearbox this has:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...

Thanks

Ford/GM 6F35 - 6 speed automatic. I.e. a conventional torque converter, not a dual clutch transmission.

Are you sure about that ? In the pic the gearstick looks exactly the same as the ones with Powershift (small rocker button on side etc for manual over-ride etc) ??

Maybe FiF is right and the 6F35 came later ?

Correction (and apologies) - reading a bit more, you might be right. Maybe the 1.5 Ecoboost that came with the Mk3.5 (facelift) only had the traditional torque converter auto option. Both types seem to have the button on the side of the stick. Blimey, this is confusing !

FiF - maybe it is 2016 models (that actually started in 2015 - you know what manufacturers are like. Like the August edition of Car magazine that is out in early July)

Edited by OddCat on Friday 27th July 08:35

[zedx19]

I had a Mondeo Ecoboost 240 Estate with the dual clutch Powershift, worked well, quick changes and no problems to report in the 16 months or so I owned it. Worth noting that the gearbox oil absolutely MUST be refreshed every 40k or so to prevent issues, cost wise around 300-400 quid. When I was on the owners club I read of a lot of dual clutch issues with shifting, selecting gears and clunking all of which were due to the gearbox oil never being changed. If you're looking second hand and can find no evidence of gearbox oil being changed, walk away imo. I bought mine on 42k with a receipt for gearbox oil being done at 37k.

Also worth noting not all powershifts are dual clutch, the 2.2 diesel Mondeo of a similar age that can come with a Powershift is a traditional torque converter type box.

[FiF]

OddCat said:

Are you sure about that ? In the pic the gearstick looks exactly the same as the ones with Powershift (small rocker button on side etc for manual over-ride etc) ??

Maybe FiF is right and the 6F35 came later ?

Correction (and apologies) - reading a bit more, you might be right. Maybe the 1.5 Ecoboost that came with the Mk3.5 (facelift) only had the traditional torque converter auto option. Both types seem to have the button on the side of the stick. Blimey, this is confusing !

FiF - maybe it is 2016 models (that actually started in 2015 - you know what manufacturers are like. Like the August edition of Car magazine that is out in early July)

Edited by OddCat on Friday 27th July 08:35

Yes, could be 2016 MY but reg in 2015. Who knows tbh. Is there some way you can get vin and thus get a build spec?

Plus what changes came in with 2016MY.

Agree with above about record of oil changes. Certainly Ford do seem to be in the wars with the Powershift, USA class action on the dry clutch models.

[OddCat]

....so there are three possible things:

1. dual clutch (dry)
2. dual clutch (wet)
3. traditional torque converter auto

I assume problems are with type 1, regular oil changes are required on type 2, and type 3 are bullet proof ?????

[Howard-]

zedx19 said:

Also worth noting not all powershifts are dual clutch, the 2.2 diesel Mondeo of a similar age that can come with a Powershift is a traditional torque converter type box.

Yes they are. PowerShift is Ford's branding of the Getrag DCT. Cars with torque converter autos won't have any PowerShift branding.

[Andehh]

Our new Ford S max, diesel, 2.0, twin turbo, 210 ps jobbie has a very smooth auto box. I'm impressed enough with it!

[FiF]

OddCat said:

....so there are three possible things:

1. dual clutch (dry)
2. dual clutch (wet)
3. traditional torque converter auto

I assume problems are with type 1, regular oil changes are required on type 2, and type 3 are bullet proof ?????

Not strictly relevant but we had Volvos with Powershift to >100k without issues. These were all wet clutch, and driven hard. Caveat, Volvo then owned by Ford, had a better implementation of the Powershift, e.g. Ford customers had complaints about hill starts which were never an issue, something to do with the wheel / ABS sensors iirc. But that's a good while back.

My thoughts on dry clutch models, whoever thought going with dry clutches and signed that off needed their bumps feeling.

[Howard-]

FiF said:

Not strictly relevant but we had Volvos with Powershift to >100k without issues. These were all wet clutch, and driven hard. Caveat, Volvo then owned by Ford, had a better implementation of the Powershift, e.g. Ford customers had complaints about hill starts which were never an issue, something to do with the wheel / ABS sensors iirc. But that's a good while back.

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This is good to know. The Powershift in my Mondeo is a bit rough and ready at times, but it hasn't shown any signs of deterioration in the 4 years that I've owned it. I did my second oil and filter change in April and the car has done just over 70k miles

[OddCat]

I asked the garage re the gearbox in the car in the ad in my post a few posts ago and they confirm it is 6F35 - the traditional torque converter box. So I think all 1.5 ecoboost autos must be this and not Power shift. Which is nice.