Ford 'powershift' equipped cars
Discussion
OddCat said:
I asked the garage re the gearbox in the car in the ad in my post a few posts ago and they confirm it is 6F35 - the traditional torque converter box. So I think all 1.5 ecoboost autos must be this and not Power shift. Which is nice.
A bit of research (automobile-catalog, absolutely brilliant site) has found the following for Focus automatics:Ford Focus 1.0 EcoBoost (125) automatic - 6 speed auto
Ford Focus 1.5 EcoBoost (150) automatic - 6 speed auto
Ford Focus 1.5 EcoBoost (182) automatic - 6 speed auto
Ford Focus 1.6 Ti-VCT (125) PowerShift - 6 speed DCT
Ford Focus 1.5 TDCi (120) PowerShift - 6 speed DCT
Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi (150) PowerShift - 6 speed DCT
So yeah you're on the money - If it's an automatic EcoBoost, it'll be a traditional torque converter. If it's a Ti-VCT (aka VVT) or a diesel it'll be a dual-clutch.
Thank you for your comments in here. I was planning on buying a late 2016 Mondeo 2.0TDi with a wet powershift clutch (180bhp) variant, with approximately 15,000 miles on the clock at present.
However, based on the comments here It seems that this could still be susceptible to clutch failures, although not to the extent of the dry versions found in the smaller ford cars.
I’d welcome peoples views on the powershift clutch in newer models and their reliability. I understand that they require maintenance every 36 months which isn’t really an issue. I average around 10-12,000 miles a year although this is likely to drop over the next few years to around 5,000.
Any views would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
However, based on the comments here It seems that this could still be susceptible to clutch failures, although not to the extent of the dry versions found in the smaller ford cars.
I’d welcome peoples views on the powershift clutch in newer models and their reliability. I understand that they require maintenance every 36 months which isn’t really an issue. I average around 10-12,000 miles a year although this is likely to drop over the next few years to around 5,000.
Any views would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Edited by Bwlmog on Saturday 29th December 12:17
Edited by Bwlmog on Sunday 30th December 10:20
I have a late 2016 Mondeo Ecoboost 240 petrol with powershift, and have had it for 18 months.
Previous cars were all ZF torque converter automatics for the last 25 years, so that's what I was used to.
With the powershift, the gear changes are noticeably smoother on the move. It's also very easy to maneouvre when parking and crawls at slow speeds under perfect control, unlike a dry-clutch DSG gearbox on a friends car I drove.
It changes up and down exactly when you'd think it should and is very responsive to kick-down. I never feel the need to use the paddles. So all good so far.
The things I don't like...
When starting from a standstill at a junction or roundabout you have to allow for a possible slight pause for the clutch to engage after selecting D, and before accelerating, especially if you pull away quickly into a gap in traffic. That takes a bit of practice. If you get it wrong it either doesn't pull away immediately, or suddenly lurches forward.
Combine that with the engine auto start-stop function and it's even less predictable, as there's a further delay while the engine starts. I tend to disable the start-stop when approaching a junction or roundabout with fast-moving traffic, or in stop/start traffic. Note that the engine still stops when you leave it in D and restarts as you accelerate.
Would I buy the same again? Probably, but not because I really like it, mostly because I wouldn't want to pay £10k more for an equivalent BMW. I have read that the very latest Fords have gone back to torque converters as US buyers prefer them, buy I may be wrong.
Not had it long enough or done enough miles to comment on reliability, or to need an oil change.
Previous cars were all ZF torque converter automatics for the last 25 years, so that's what I was used to.
With the powershift, the gear changes are noticeably smoother on the move. It's also very easy to maneouvre when parking and crawls at slow speeds under perfect control, unlike a dry-clutch DSG gearbox on a friends car I drove.
It changes up and down exactly when you'd think it should and is very responsive to kick-down. I never feel the need to use the paddles. So all good so far.
The things I don't like...
When starting from a standstill at a junction or roundabout you have to allow for a possible slight pause for the clutch to engage after selecting D, and before accelerating, especially if you pull away quickly into a gap in traffic. That takes a bit of practice. If you get it wrong it either doesn't pull away immediately, or suddenly lurches forward.
Combine that with the engine auto start-stop function and it's even less predictable, as there's a further delay while the engine starts. I tend to disable the start-stop when approaching a junction or roundabout with fast-moving traffic, or in stop/start traffic. Note that the engine still stops when you leave it in D and restarts as you accelerate.
Would I buy the same again? Probably, but not because I really like it, mostly because I wouldn't want to pay £10k more for an equivalent BMW. I have read that the very latest Fords have gone back to torque converters as US buyers prefer them, buy I may be wrong.
Not had it long enough or done enough miles to comment on reliability, or to need an oil change.
My dad did buy the car in the end but sadly his condition was hiding an underlying cancer and he passed last September, but he really liked the car and said the gearbox was easy enough to live with, as mentioned above there was a little hesitation when pulling out and waiting for it to sort its self out, and the occasional over rev when putting you foot down when not in sport mode,
My mum has taken on the ownership and she loves it, it's one less thing for her to worry about as she's not the most confident of driver, she only does around 4-5k year and it's due a service soon so if it throws up anything I'll report back
My mum has taken on the ownership and she loves it, it's one less thing for her to worry about as she's not the most confident of driver, she only does around 4-5k year and it's due a service soon so if it throws up anything I'll report back
Another bump to this, does anyone know which version will be in a 1.6 B-max?
I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
Telecaster_ said:
Another bump to this, does anyone know which version will be in a 1.6 B-max?
I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
B-Max will be the dry clutch version.I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Telecaster_ said:
Another bump to this, does anyone know which version will be in a 1.6 B-max?
I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
B-Max will be the dry clutch version.I'm looking at one for my mum as it ticks all the boxes but I thought I'd just do a quick search on the powershift box as I haven't heard much about it, I'm a bit worried now as she's got her heart set on one but if it's going to cause her a load of hassle we'll have to look elsewhere. It will be doing reasonable but not mega miles, she still works and has a busy social life so it needs to be reliable.
Our 2015 (new model) smax 180 diesel with powershift box just let us down. 'Transmission overheating' message and lost drive. The engine was revving but was like the clutch was slipping.
I think it is the wet pack clutch version and was a bit over due an oil change on the transmission. 50k miles but lots of town driving in that.
What are thoughts on the fault? Worn out clutch packs? Or might just an oil change help out?
I think it is the wet pack clutch version and was a bit over due an oil change on the transmission. 50k miles but lots of town driving in that.
What are thoughts on the fault? Worn out clutch packs? Or might just an oil change help out?
Thats a long way overdue, they need to be serviced more frequently than the service schedule states, it might be low on fluid or it might be an expensive bill, even more so if the control unit has failed too. I guess it depends if you want to throw £300 at a gearbox service of £1500 at the clutch packs.
2015 onwards (MK2?) S-Max 2.0 EcoBoost were fitted with the Aisin 6 speed torque converter auto.
The 2.0 Ecoboost was canned in 2018.
2019 on cars with the rotary selector are 8 speed TC autos. Not sure they offered a petrol auto in the S-Max after the 2019 facelift though,
More or less the same as the Mk5 Mondeo.
The 2.0 Ecoboost was canned in 2018.
2019 on cars with the rotary selector are 8 speed TC autos. Not sure they offered a petrol auto in the S-Max after the 2019 facelift though,
More or less the same as the Mk5 Mondeo.
quinny100 said:
2015 onwards (MK2?) S-Max 2.0 EcoBoost were fitted with the Aisin 6 speed torque converter auto.
The 2.0 Ecoboost was canned in 2018.
2019 on cars with the rotary selector are 8 speed TC autos. Not sure they offered a petrol auto in the S-Max after the 2019 facelift though,
More or less the same as the Mk5 Mondeo.
Thanks for that, I prefer facelift mk1, I reckon I may just have to get a manual, I'm not risking a powershift, too many tales of terror.The 2.0 Ecoboost was canned in 2018.
2019 on cars with the rotary selector are 8 speed TC autos. Not sure they offered a petrol auto in the S-Max after the 2019 facelift though,
More or less the same as the Mk5 Mondeo.
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