Ford and swelling wheel nuts

[Dave.]

Ahm oot!


Crackers!

[sohco]

littleredrooster said:

Some threads on PH just beggar belief.

...and I suspect they're bolts, not nuts. But if you're an "automotive engineer", you'll know that...

Nope, definitely closed end nuts used on a Ford, nuts are female, bolts are male. .

One's a wheel bolt -http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=2529

The others a nut - http://www.burtonpower.com/closed-wheel-nut-m12x1-...

Notice the difference.

[njw1]

I've dealt with swollen Ford wheel nuts many times, either by tapping the socket on or by popping the chrome cap off with a screwdriver and using a smaller socket, easy.

As for seeking legal advice and contacting the head of UK operations? Seriously??

[sohco]

njw1 said:

I've dealt with swollen Ford wheel nuts many times, either by tapping the socket on or by popping the chrome cap off with a screwdriver and using a smaller socket, easy.

As for seeking legal advice and contacting the head of UK operations? Seriously??

That's regarding another more serious issue due to servicing and it effecting my warranty cover as it stands now through no fault of mine, so I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone when sending this email. If the independent inspection as part of the Ford direct scheme by the RAC didn't pick it up the damage, what else have they potentially missed? Other's have successfully had other marques purchase the car back for the full amount payed including costs, but that's to do with the other problem of a particular dealership lying, a lot of miss information and changing the story every two minutes.

Well it'll probably be the dealership rather than Ford taken to court if it goes that far.

Anyways, it's caused too much offense for many, so mods close the thread.

[CoolHands]

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

[sohco]

Amazing how so many of you don't understand warranties, then no doubt complain when they aren't honored.

Using different nuts would be seen as using inferior parts by Ford which would void it, unless I can prove otherwise. The proof Ford would require is an independent Engineers report and they cost £300, so rather not take the chance, nor pay the £5 a nut Ford want and thats without fitting.

It also amazes me how many of you can't grasp it's a side issue to the main one, which has received an unsatisfactory reply from Ford, so again, rather than emailing twice I'll roll them into one, hence two birds with one stone

[sohco]

CoolHands said:

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

Over 700 posts a year on a forum would suggest you need to get a life.

[Megaflow]

sohco said:

CoolHands said:

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

Over 700 posts a year on a forum would suggest you need to get a life.

And yet you came to that very forum for advice. Who needs the life now?

[V8RX7]

sohco said:

I'm also an Automotive Engineer so know the the tall tale signs of corrosion and nuts being rounded off from using the wrong tool for the job.

There is no way you are an Automotive Engineer in any real sense.

What did you study / what do you do ?

[littleredrooster]

sohco said:

Nope, definitely closed end nuts used on a Ford, nuts are female, bolts are male. .

One's a wheel bolt -http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=2529

The others a nut - http://www.burtonpower.com/closed-wheel-nut-m12x1-...

Notice the difference.

OK - humble pie duly eaten. Didn't realise there was still things out there with wheel-studs in the hub.

[sohco]

Megaflow said:

sohco said:

CoolHands said:

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

Over 700 posts a year on a forum would suggest you need to get a life.

And yet you came to that very forum for advice. Who needs the life now?

No advice needed, it was to ask a simple question, but as ever on here to many people get upset.

[sohco]

V8RX7 said:

sohco said:

I'm also an Automotive Engineer so know the the tall tale signs of corrosion and nuts being rounded off from using the wrong tool for the job.

There is no way you are an Automotive Engineer in any real sense.

What did you study / what do you do ?

Afraid I am, no need to be jealous and still don't get the hostility after asking a very simple question.

I can go on about crack propagation which occurs in all metals, how vibration and corrosion speeds that process up, ultimately leading to failure, so driving around with such wheel nuts if left over a period of time is a risky game.

Edited by sohco on Sunday 28th May 09:24

[sohco]

So to all of you being hostile, do you know all about clamp loading and how it can lead to failure seeing the wheel leave the hub due to under or over torqueing? How using an impact wrench will over torque a wheel nut 3 to 5 times past specification in the worst case, they don't have these torque specifications for fun. It can and does cause the studs to fail, so sorry for wanting to hold Ford accountable for shoddy workmanship.

Seems too many are happy running risk of there wheel coming off at 70 mph.

[V8RX7]

sohco said:

V8RX7 said:

sohco said:

I'm also an Automotive Engineer so know the the tall tale signs of corrosion and nuts being rounded off from using the wrong tool for the job.

There is no way you are an Automotive Engineer in any real sense.

What did you study / what do you do ?

Afraid I am, no need to be jealous and still don't get the hostility after asking a very simple question.

I can go on about crack propagation which occurs in all metals, how vibration and corrosion speeds that process up, ultimately leading to failure, so driving around with such wheel nuts if left over a period of time is a risky game.

Edited by sohco on Sunday 28th May 09:24

Oh you've rumbled me - I'm so jealous - I've always aspired to a Fiesta.

I'm just honing my skills driving my V8 IS200, RX7 twin turbo and supercharged MX5, awaiting the day I'm finally ready to take on the challenge that is taming a mighty Fiesta.

I know nothing about rust nor overtightening wheel nuts despite modifying the above cars and hundreds more.

The way you express yourself I'd be amazed if you are over 16, have ever had a job or got any Engineering experience whatsoever.

Face facts you can't even use the quotes when replying FFS !

[kev b]

Ford have been fitting this style wheelnut since the Granada Mk2 was current, they were a pain back then and Ford have done nothing about it in the intervening forty years.

Land Rover fit these as well and they are even more of a pain due to size and visibility, nobody wants rusty wheenuts on show and customers aren't impressed when their Disco comes back from a tyre change with butchered wheelnuts.

Realisticaly there is absolutely no chance of them changing now.

As for tightening, a significant minority of vehicles have overtightened nuts IME, however I have not heard of an epidemic of snapped studs so I presume the chances of the OPs wheels dropping off are minuscule.

My advice to the OP, if this issue really worries you then buy a complete set of nuts and studs, fit them, using a torque wrench, the ensuing peace of mind will be worth the effort.

[Megaflow]

sohco said:

Megaflow said:

sohco said:

CoolHands said:

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

Over 700 posts a year on a forum would suggest you need to get a life.

And yet you came to that very forum for advice. Who needs the life now?

No advice needed, it was to ask a simple question, but as ever on here to many people get upset.

If no advice was needed why did you ask the question?

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make everybody else's opinion invalid.

[sohco]

V8RX7 said:

sohco said:

V8RX7 said:

sohco said:

I'm also an Automotive Engineer so know the the tall tale signs of corrosion and nuts being rounded off from using the wrong tool for the job.

There is no way you are an Automotive Engineer in any real sense.

What did you study / what do you do ?

Afraid I am, no need to be jealous and still don't get the hostility after asking a very simple question.

I can go on about crack propagation which occurs in all metals, how vibration and corrosion speeds that process up, ultimately leading to failure, so driving around with such wheel nuts if left over a period of time is a risky game.

Edited by sohco on Sunday 28th May 09:24

Oh you've rumbled me - I'm so jealous - I've always aspired to a Fiesta.

I'm just honing my skills driving my V8 IS200, RX7 twin turbo and supercharged MX5, awaiting the day I'm finally ready to take on the challenge that is taming a mighty Fiesta.

I know nothing about rust nor overtightening wheel nuts despite modifying the above cars and hundreds more.

The way you express yourself I'd be amazed if you are over 16, have ever had a job or got any Engineering experience whatsoever.

Face facts you can't even use the quotes when replying FFS !

So why the need to comment or even question what I have to say? When someone results to personal abuse they've lost the argument.

[sohco]

Megaflow said:

sohco said:

Megaflow said:

sohco said:

CoolHands said:

You seem to be ignoring everyone so just to be clear: get a life.

Over 700 posts a year on a forum would suggest you need to get a life.

And yet you came to that very forum for advice. Who needs the life now?

No advice needed, it was to ask a simple question, but as ever on here to many people get upset.

If no advice was needed why did you ask the question?

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make everybody else's opinion invalid.

What was the need for all the hostility and personal abuse? It was a question and wasn't seeking any advice at all, it's clear many of you don't like to discuss things and are typical key board warriors.

[sohco]

kev b said:

Ford have been fitting this style wheelnut since the Granada Mk2 was current, they were a pain back then and Ford have done nothing about it in the intervening forty years.

Land Rover fit these as well and they are even more of a pain due to size and visibility, nobody wants rusty wheenuts on show and customers aren't impressed when their Disco comes back from a tyre change with butchered wheelnuts.

Realisticaly there is absolutely no chance of them changing now.

As for tightening, a significant minority of vehicles have overtightened nuts IME, however I have not heard of an epidemic of snapped studs so I presume the chances of the OPs wheels dropping off are minuscule.

My advice to the OP, if this issue really worries you then buy a complete set of nuts and studs, fit them, using a torque wrench, the ensuing peace of mind will be worth the effort.

If the car wasn't under warranty that's what I'd do, as it is, I don't think it's too much to hold Ford to account on this and for them to pay.

This is also a side issue to something more serious, so rather than do two separate complaints, I thought if combine the two. However it's enraged many, with some questioning what I say despite knowing no better themselves.

Anyway, it's nice to see we have people still using the forum who don't get enraged every two minutes.

[V8RX7]

sohco said:

So why the need to comment or even question what I have to say? When someone results to personal abuse they've lost the argument.

Because you are a complete arse and I've got 5 mins to kill whilst drinking my tea