New TVR confirmed
Discussion
V8 GRF said:
Already done, found it just after I posted, can't wait to hear more.I've never put my name down on any car before launch before but I want one!!!
dinkel said:
Most car enthusiasts have never heard of TVR.
Really? I've yet to find one that can be classed as a car enthusiast. Arrive anywhere where car guys and gals gather, in a TVR = instant recognition.dinkel said:
In Europe they are rarely seen on the roads.
Which adds to the mystique. Often talked about, seldom seen or even experienced. V41LEY said:
However, both Ginetta 'road cars' (G40 / G60) touch these two price points. Can't see why LE would rebuild a brand to take on one he already has unless he thinks that isn't a problem and potential buyers will always pick the TVR brand over Ginetta or he's quitting road cars to focus on the racing side. All good stuff though.
I agree here. I wasn't aware LE owns Ginetta though? I think I focused too much on drawing up my impression of what the different models should be and what customers they should attract.The point I went in to make (but got side tracked by my excitement) was that a smart modular chassis+drivetrain should be able to cater for several different models and different price points, but keep the manufacturing costs from spiraling just like how the larger manufacturers operate. The bodywork and trimings, especially if composite, are relatively cheap to vary (especially with the advancements in CAD)... but the underpining chassis needs to be spot on.
As for the customers, I still think circa £40k, circa £70k and £100k+ would be the best price points to start with.
AOK said:
They need a £30-40k 'back to basics' roadster to blow Ginetta and Lotus out of the water. I'd see this as their car to attract younger owners, track day enthusiasts, Chimaera drivers of old etc. Little in the way of creature comforts, just a well-handling, rwd sports car with an entry level of tune to their V8 proposition.
'Back to basics' V8 like the Mustang, which with Ford's massive resources and economies of scale (selling hundreds of thousands of them) has a starting price of £33k? I can't see a low volume manufacturer getting anywhere near that sort of price.900T-R said:
dinkel said:
Most car enthusiasts have never heard of TVR.
Really? I've yet to find one that can be classed as a car enthusiast. Arrive anywhere where car guys and gals gather, in a TVR = instant recognition.xRIEx said:
'Back to basics' V8 like the Mustang, which with Ford's massive resources and economies of scale (selling hundreds of thousands of them) has a starting price of £33k? I can't see a low volume manufacturer getting anywhere near that sort of price.
Correct me if I'm wrong but both Ginetta and Lotus sell 'no thrills' cars starting from £30k and buy their engines in as well.AOK said:
Just look at the Pistonheads forum categories... how many sub categories do you see in the 'TVR' section in comparison to other manufacturers! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think PH is a car enthusiast website!
I haven't been here long enough, but wasn't PH originally a TVR forum? Or at least somewhere TVR owners/enthusiasts gathered? That said, it's still a British car firm.Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I've also yet to meet a "car enthusiast" that doesn't know TVR, and I don't even live in the UK.
V41LEY said:
AOK said:
They need a £30-40k 'back to basics' roadster to blow Ginetta and Lotus out of the water. I'd see this as their car to attract younger owners, track day enthusiasts, Chimaera drivers of old etc. Little in the way of creature comforts, just a well-handling, rwd sports car with an entry level of tune to their V8 proposition.
The second would be their cash cow - a £60-70k rival which builds on where the Sagaris left off. Mental, at least 400bhp, well equipped enough to tempt the odd 'daily driver' away from F-Types, GTRs, Turbos etc.
However, both Ginetta 'road cars' (G40 / G60) touch these two price points. Can't see why LE would rebuild a brand to take on one he already has unless he thinks that isn't a problem and potential buyers will always pick the TVR brand over Ginetta or he's quitting road cars to focus on the racing side. All good stuff though.The second would be their cash cow - a £60-70k rival which builds on where the Sagaris left off. Mental, at least 400bhp, well equipped enough to tempt the odd 'daily driver' away from F-Types, GTRs, Turbos etc.
If the original two model, middle tier line up work then it would be much easier to add forced induction and build a smaller volume, more ludicrous car with good unit margins?
Neither Ginetta or Lotus are a success in the UK at the cheap end of the market. I can't see commercial logic in trying to compete when there isn't anything to be won?
sounds all very good, Ford 5.0 V8 and cosworth starting from around 450hp etc, also the ABS part etc.
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Autocar speculating the unit may be based on the Ford Mustang's 5.0-litre lump with something between 450-500hp. And, yes, this time around we'll have ABS and traction control, though you'd expect the latter to be switchable.
Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 3rd June 10:05
YAHOO said:
Love the sound of this but would really wanted something that had a bit more 21st look like this ...Modern day Sag
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I know wer're all excited but anything this extreme I think will put the core punters off. I want a distinctive car with good lines, well engineered (I know http://
) that goes like stink and sounds awesome - supported by a dealer network (assume they are planning one). I'm less tempted into buying a Batmobile !AOK said:
xRIEx said:
'Back to basics' V8 like the Mustang, which with Ford's massive resources and economies of scale (selling hundreds of thousands of them) has a starting price of £33k? I can't see a low volume manufacturer getting anywhere near that sort of price.
Correct me if I'm wrong but both Ginetta and Lotus sell 'no thrills' cars starting from £30k and buy their engines in as well.The base Elise uses a mass-produced 1.6l 134bhp engine; prices start at about £31k.
The vapourware TVR uses a low volume production V8 created by a specialist engine manufacturer. They formerly sold the Sagaris at around £50k 10 years ago (£67-68k adjusted for inflation), £96-97K inflation adjusted for the Typhon.
Which bit of that suggests TVR can viably produce a bespoke-engined V8, low volume sports car for under £40k, or that they even want to?
AOK said:
I agree here. I wasn't aware LE owns Ginetta though?
He doesn't it's owned by Lawrence Tomlinson former TVR racer and still owner of 4 of the 7 race T400RsZesPak said:
AOK said:
Just look at the Pistonheads forum categories... how many sub categories do you see in the 'TVR' section in comparison to other manufacturers! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think PH is a car enthusiast website!
I haven't been here long enough, but wasn't PH originally a TVR forum? Or at least somewhere TVR owners/enthusiasts gathered? That said, it's still a British car firm.Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I've also yet to meet a "car enthusiast" that doesn't know TVR, and I don't even live in the UK.
TVR is surprisingly well known considering their rarity
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