New TVR still under wraps!
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People don't want extroversy. That's why almost all Porsches sold are a shade of grey. It's why almost all cars sold are a shade of grey.
Even most Lambos you see aren't in the shocking colours you'd expect. I saw several yesterday. All shades of grey.
And look at which TVR models always out sold the others?
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Sure, have a model that's all body kitted up, aggressive and lairy to promote brand ethos. A couple of people will buy it but almost everyone else will buy the plain one that's a bit cheaper.
Even most Lambos you see aren't in the shocking colours you'd expect. I saw several yesterday. All shades of grey.
And look at which TVR models always out sold the others?
. Sure, have a model that's all body kitted up, aggressive and lairy to promote brand ethos. A couple of people will buy it but almost everyone else will buy the plain one that's a bit cheaper.
Moycie said:
FarmyardPants said:
If you just want to go fast, you buy a caterfield. I think anyone in the market for an £80k sports car will want it to look nothing less than spectacular parked on their driveway. If when you drive past people they don't say "Wow, wtf is that?!" you've failed IMO. I don't buy the argument that making it plainer looking will increase its appeal 
It also brings home just how talented the designers of the Wheeler cars really were. They haven't aged at all (the cars, not the people)
+1 this... and as others have said too. It also brings home just how talented the designers of the Wheeler cars really were. They haven't aged at all (the cars, not the people)
I was driving back to South London from Blackpool (S&D) in the Cerbera the other weekend (a good 275mile trip!) and the attention, thumbs up, people hanging out windows to see and hear the pops and bangs....was enough to tell me these cars have "still got it".
I hope the September reveal at Goodwood shows the details that were missing from the Preview Day, as I also agree with comments made above and by others, as per my article in Sprint. My fingers and toes are crossed.
Picture courtesy of Mr Poxon!
Cerbera Speed 6 - Chameleon Blue - Sunset by Aaron Moyce, on FlickrEdited by Moycie on Thursday 20th July 13:41
Back on topic. I think the new car needs its own identity not a rehash of a previous model, but also agree if I was going to be tempted to buy one it needs to be very charismatic in the way wheeler cars are, cos frankly there are so many dynamically brilliant cars around now a days TVR can't compete without out doing the competition on charisma and the smile just looking at a TVR gives you
Unfortunately as has been said before I think the car needs to have at least a small degree of conformity to make the venture a success. Releasing a modern-day Sagaris (not that the Sag has aged at all!) would certainly please all of us nutters who salivate over TVRs past, but wouldn't guarantee sales in the modern market. As much as it would be awesome to see a new TVR with the same 'f
k the rest we're doing our own thing' attitude, it would be equally galling to see another sunken TVR. Whatever they need to do initially to generate sales is fair enough IMO, the new car still appears to be different and exciting enough to deserve a TVR badge- once they've got the venture on a sound footing, who's to say they won't go nuts with future models? Keep the faith!
k the rest we're doing our own thing' attitude, it would be equally galling to see another sunken TVR. Whatever they need to do initially to generate sales is fair enough IMO, the new car still appears to be different and exciting enough to deserve a TVR badge- once they've got the venture on a sound footing, who's to say they won't go nuts with future models? Keep the faith!The problem i suspect is not actually with the new TVR, but with everything else on the road.
Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
Agree with all the above.
It doesn't have to be as mad as the Sag but at least as good looking as the T350.
As said, the design quality of really basic cars is something else now.
The modern designs have slowly infiltrated our roads while we have become blissfully unaware of these important steps forward. Just look at the Nissan juke, even that humble car would make a good visual stablemate to a TVR.
It doesn't have to be as mad as the Sag but at least as good looking as the T350.
As said, the design quality of really basic cars is something else now.
The modern designs have slowly infiltrated our roads while we have become blissfully unaware of these important steps forward. Just look at the Nissan juke, even that humble car would make a good visual stablemate to a TVR.
Max_Torque said:
The problem i suspect is not actually with the new TVR, but with everything else on the road.
Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
Very true. Plus, long gone are the days of someone wanting an SRi body kit having to buy the SRi model. You can get all your AMG or M trinkets glued onto your base spec diesel at the factory. Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
But just because everyone at the party is dressed smartly it still doesn't make turning up dressed like a clown the best move.
The Sagaris has probably only mellowed as much as it has with time because of the vast number of more styled normal cars on the road and it never came close to outselling the Griff which, while pretty, is remarkably unadorned.
Max_Torque said:
The problem i suspect is not actually with the new TVR, but with everything else on the road.
Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
Good points - I totally agree.Back in the Heyday of TVRs they looks incredible compared to the normal, boring saloons and hatchbacks that littered our roads. However, in the last few years, the quality of design, and particularly the effort in precision surfacing (how the body reflects light to high light its shape) has undergone a step change. Take a simple thing such as headlights, back in the early 2000's a typical mass produced car had maybe a complex shape but not that complex, it had a simple reflector design with a single filiament bulb. Here in 2017, the headlights of even pretty boring cars are highly complex, highly designed, with multiple LEDs and multiple light elements. For a small company, with a small budget, to even get on the same page with its headlights as say those on a modern hot hatch is a big ask.
I mean, despite what you personally think about the styling (good or bad ;-) even "cooking" modern cars are pretty wild looking these days:
Not that many years ago, the only cars that looked like that ^^^ would be the 'never to make production' motorshow concepts. Today, you can walk into a car dealer and buy any of them.
My only thought is that TVR in the 90's were good at using parts that were in mainstream production - Cavalier lights on the Griff, Fiesta lights on the Chim for example. If it looked right, they would use it. So instead of trying to develop light units, shouldn't the new TVR simply use some units off a mainstream car that look good? There are loads to choose from.
Not sure the Sag's looks have mellowed that much in time - just judging from the reaction I get everytime I take it out!
Totally agree that to succeed TVR will have to be more conformist. Which is why is past posts I have said there is a large part of me that would prefer it left dead. We are never going to see the likes of a Sagaris's exterior or a Cerbera's interior again
Sometimes I think the world we live isn't as fun as it used to be. Marketing and advertisers decide what we want, no one is allowed to think for themselves anymore. Its all just over hyped crap
Sorry must go Love Island has just started!
Totally agree that to succeed TVR will have to be more conformist. Which is why is past posts I have said there is a large part of me that would prefer it left dead. We are never going to see the likes of a Sagaris's exterior or a Cerbera's interior again
Sometimes I think the world we live isn't as fun as it used to be. Marketing and advertisers decide what we want, no one is allowed to think for themselves anymore. Its all just over hyped crap
Sorry must go Love Island has just started!
PuffsBack said:
Not sure the Sag's looks have mellowed that much in time - just judging from the reaction I get everytime I take it out!
Totally agree that to succeed TVR will have to be more conformist. Which is why is past posts I have said there is a large part of me that would prefer it left dead. We are never going to see the likes of a Sagaris's exterior or a Cerbera's interior again
Sometimes I think the world we live isn't as fun as it used to be. Marketing and advertisers decide what we want, no one is allowed to think for themselves anymore. Its all just over hyped crap
Sorry must go Love Island has just started!
You raise an interesting point butTotally agree that to succeed TVR will have to be more conformist. Which is why is past posts I have said there is a large part of me that would prefer it left dead. We are never going to see the likes of a Sagaris's exterior or a Cerbera's interior again
Sometimes I think the world we live isn't as fun as it used to be. Marketing and advertisers decide what we want, no one is allowed to think for themselves anymore. Its all just over hyped crap
Sorry must go Love Island has just started!
TVR is only ever going to be a full on sports car no silly SUVs no care for mpg no care for not being loud simply a care for looking wild going like the clappers and most importantly a poster car (I had the Cerbera on my bedroom wall still want one always have)
The TVRs from the late 90s were so extraordinary, no other car could reach that than, even no Lamborghini or a Ferrari. Furthermore I would specify TVR car design as timeless. People can estimate the cars' age only by tire size or interior items, e.g. missing displays or other gadgets. I did not meet anyone who could specify the T350 as 2003 car.
I'm not sure if the current cars on the road will achieve that. Current car design makes every family car as aggressive as possible or looking like from outer space but that is not enough.
I hope to see some of the former TVR extraordinariness in the new model. I have no idea what kind of colors Les is planning for the new models, colors like the chameleon or Spectraflair ones or others?
I'm not sure if the current cars on the road will achieve that. Current car design makes every family car as aggressive as possible or looking like from outer space but that is not enough.
I hope to see some of the former TVR extraordinariness in the new model. I have no idea what kind of colors Les is planning for the new models, colors like the chameleon or Spectraflair ones or others?
Welshbeef said:
You raise an interesting point but
TVR is only ever going to be a full on sports car no silly SUVs no care for mpg no care for not being loud simply a care for looking wild going like the clappers and most importantly a poster car (I had the Cerbera on my bedroom wall still want one always have)
Mind you, I'd be quite keen for a TVR SUV. Light weight, manual V8, side exhausts emptying into the faces of car drivers and a stonking soundtrack. And no more worries about being stuck in the field when you've gone through a hedge backwards TVR is only ever going to be a full on sports car no silly SUVs no care for mpg no care for not being loud simply a care for looking wild going like the clappers and most importantly a poster car (I had the Cerbera on my bedroom wall still want one always have)
Given the huge popularity of trying to procure a TVR engine for an old Rangie, I don't think I'm the only one who has appreciated the market for the non mumsnet SUV.
47 days to go....
That's.................
6 weeks and 5 days...
And between now and then.....
33 working days....
1 Bank holiday....
3 Grand Prix....
At least 5 BBQ's,
And 2 regional TVR meets... here in carrot cruncher land...
Next one at the airshow half a mile from my gaff...
But will it have been worth the wait? Will it blow us away? Will it make us proud to be TVR die hards?
Will we be able to go down the pub and say "have you seen the new TVR? It's stunning"
What if it wasn't worth the wait... What if it doesn't take our breath away or make us proud?
What will we do then?
What will become of us?
Why am I writing this drivel?
Who knows the answer to these questions.... who cares....
Roll on the 8th September.....
That's.................
6 weeks and 5 days...
And between now and then.....
33 working days....
1 Bank holiday....
3 Grand Prix....
At least 5 BBQ's,
And 2 regional TVR meets... here in carrot cruncher land...
Next one at the airshow half a mile from my gaff...
But will it have been worth the wait? Will it blow us away? Will it make us proud to be TVR die hards?
Will we be able to go down the pub and say "have you seen the new TVR? It's stunning"
What if it wasn't worth the wait... What if it doesn't take our breath away or make us proud?
What will we do then?
What will become of us?
Why am I writing this drivel?
Who knows the answer to these questions.... who cares....
Roll on the 8th September.....
DonkeyApple said:
Mind you, I'd be quite keen for a TVR SUV. Light weight, manual V8, side exhausts emptying into the faces of car drivers and a stonking soundtrack. And no more worries about being stuck in the field when you've gone through a hedge backwards
Given the huge popularity of trying to procure a TVR engine for an old Rangie, I don't think I'm the only one who has appreciated the market for the non mumsnet SUV.
Strangely this may have more potential than a performance/GT car that are out there in abundance. Given the huge popularity of trying to procure a TVR engine for an old Rangie, I don't think I'm the only one who has appreciated the market for the non mumsnet SUV.
m4tti said:
Strangely this may have more potential than a performance/GT car that are out there in abundance.
I'm thinking such a thing from TVR would have to be somewhat like a luxury Bowler, designed around it being able to be fairly easily converted into a Paris-Dakar challenger. In the same way the new car is with LeMans. Otherwise it'll just be another Cayenne/RRS alternative.dvs_dave said:
I'm thinking such a thing from TVR would have to be somewhat like a luxury Bowler, designed around it being able to be fairly easily converted into a Paris-Dakar challenger. In the same way the new car is with LeMans. Otherwise it'll just be another Cayenne/RRS alternative.
I'd bin the whole off-road fakery to be honest. Make it RWD. If it were a RWD fast road SUV in the true style of TVR then it wouldn't be another fat man's mobile pile massage device but a TVR that allowed you to hoon B roads with the visibility to overtake and straight line more corners.
. While also allowing for rear seats and a load of luggage. 
ChilliWhizz said:
47 days to go....
That's.................
6 weeks and 5 days...
And between now and then.....
33 working days....
1 Bank holiday....
3 Grand Prix....
At least 5 BBQ's,
And 2 regional TVR meets... here in carrot cruncher land...
Next one at the airshow half a mile from my gaff...
But will it have been worth the wait? Will it blow us away? Will it make us proud to be TVR die hards?
Will we be able to go down the pub and say "have you seen the new TVR? It's stunning"
What if it wasn't worth the wait... What if it doesn't take our breath away or make us proud?
What will we do then?
What will become of us?
Why am I writing this drivel?
Who knows the answer to these questions.... who cares....
Roll on the 8th September.....
Just musing that the reveal 'ticket' costs around £200+ (If even still available) plus overnight accommodation for many. If it was at say Duxford or somewhere where there's a (usually) less busy event it would would be much more accessible.That's.................
6 weeks and 5 days...
And between now and then.....
33 working days....
1 Bank holiday....
3 Grand Prix....
At least 5 BBQ's,
And 2 regional TVR meets... here in carrot cruncher land...
Next one at the airshow half a mile from my gaff...
But will it have been worth the wait? Will it blow us away? Will it make us proud to be TVR die hards?
Will we be able to go down the pub and say "have you seen the new TVR? It's stunning"
What if it wasn't worth the wait... What if it doesn't take our breath away or make us proud?
What will we do then?
What will become of us?
Why am I writing this drivel?
Who knows the answer to these questions.... who cares....
Roll on the 8th September.....
I will be there, but I hope TVR do a follow up for those who don't 'do' Goodwood.
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