New TVR still under wraps!

[ThommoHawk]

VULCANT said:

Fantastic colour change👍, a friend has one on order and would like 'Toyota Spruce Green Mica', any chance you could render that colour?

[FlipFlopGriff]

Looks a similar colour to Dave's Chimp:

Paradise purple.
FFG

[Bluebottle]

FlipFlopGriff said:

RichB said:

think you are underselling it a bit there FFG the rear is excellent.

Rich, Not bad I guess, but not as nice as Griff Mk2.
Just needs a bit more work on the front elevation as this is the weak area for me - grill, headlight pod layout, spots/driving lights?, decent number plate location etc but they have time to get feedback and hopefully make some changes.
FFG

I really hope they do...most of the comments and "constructive" criticism i have seen on here and FB regarding the front styling were voiced at the depositors reveal, by many of us, and they didnt seem to take any of that on board which and use it to improve on the buck..i only hope they use the feedback received positively for the full production car...If they do i'll still be in

[dvs_dave]

Bluebottle said:

FlipFlopGriff said:

RichB said:

think you are underselling it a bit there FFG the rear is excellent.

Rich, Not bad I guess, but not as nice as Griff Mk2.
Just needs a bit more work on the front elevation as this is the weak area for me - grill, headlight pod layout, spots/driving lights?, decent number plate location etc but they have time to get feedback and hopefully make some changes.
FFG

I really hope they do...most of the comments and "constructive" criticism i have seen on here and FB regarding the front styling were voiced at the depositors reveal, by many of us, and they didnt seem to take any of that on board which and use it to improve on the buck..i only hope they use the feedback received positively for the full production car...If they do i'll still be in

2 minutes scribbling with a virtual sharpie marker. Such a simple modification, such a dramatic effect, and I'm just some bloke from the internet. Think what a proper car designer could do!

[Byker28i]

dvs_dave said:

2 minutes scribbling with a virtual sharpie marker. Such a simple modification, such a dramatic effect, and I'm just some bloke from the internet. Think what a proper car designer could do!

Surely the issue isn't how easy it is for a bloke on the internet can do with '2 minutes scribbling with a virtual sharpie marker' but actually all the tooling, molds, aero design work etc thats gone into it already. Changes now would be very costly and probably time consuming, when several people are already unhappy with the delays and time taken to produce this new car.

[megaphone]

BJWoods said:

megaphone said:

Still think it would look better with a couple of big exhaust pipes at the rear.

must be taking the p*** - exhaust at rear..

instead of side exhaust to allow a Gordon Murray designed chassis with underfloor aero
(with all the lessons learned from his Mercedes Mclaren SLR design)

I appreciate the exhaust positioning is compromised by the flat floor. I just think the back end looks wrong without big exhausts at the rear, looks like something is missing.

[Granturadriver]

megaphone said:

the back end looks wrong without big exhausts at the rear, looks like something is missing.

Aftermarket will help with fake pipes!

[FlipFlopGriff]

Byker28i said:

Surely the issue isn't how easy it is for a bloke on the internet can do with '2 minutes scribbling with a virtual sharpie marker' but actually all the tooling, molds, aero design work etc thats gone into it already. Changes now would be very costly and probably time consuming, when several people are already unhappy with the delays and time taken to produce this new car.

On the flip side its a plastic moulded piece so wouldn't imagine too costly to change. If making changes to the front end (the biggest gripe seems to be the front end) sells 50 cars a year more and makes existing buyers happier (or not request a refund of their deposit) I would imagine a worthy investment. Its a prototype at the minute so liable to change in typical TVR fashion. I'd wait another 2 months if thats what it takes - its already behind the plan and I don't see anyone having a problem with that.
FFG

[BJWoods]

megaphone said:

I appreciate the exhaust positioning is compromised by the flat floor. I just think the back end looks wrong without big exhausts at the rear, looks like something is missing.

Personally I think the back end looks fantastic.. and is a result of serious engineering to deliver a stable car at very high speeds.
it is like that for a purpose, not for 'styling'

[BJWoods]

BJWoods said:

Personally I think the back end looks fantastic.. and is a result of serious engineering to deliver a stable car at very high speeds.
it is like that for a purpose, not for 'styling'

something that is missing...

'missing' is what we are all used to..

this is something new, and I'm sure we all will get 'used' to it..

I remember hating the Tuscan when it came out, but it was something new. TVR has alway been bold.. and people had to catch up with them.

[BJWoods]

FlipFlopGriff said:

On the flip side its a plastic moulded piece so wouldn't imagine too costly to change. If making changes to the front end (the biggest gripe seems to be the front end) sells 50 cars a year more and makes existing buyers happier (or not request a refund of their deposit) I would imagine a worthy investment. Its a prototype at the minute so liable to change in typical TVR fashion. I'd wait another 2 months if thats what it takes - its already behind the plan and I don't see anyone having a problem with that.
FFG

imho, we all need to forget 'typical TVR fashion...

not least because legislation has changed, TVRs old methods were way to costlys.

in my view TVR has radically grown into what it always wanted to be/could be.. a potentially very serious manufacturer (they could take a lot of sales off Mclaren for example (cars all look the same to me) .

reading Pistonheads and elsewhere people seem to be reacting as if manufacturing/design process is as if nothing had changed..

when it has fundamentally changed.

I d agree as the bodywork is not structural, some panels could be changed..

but why should they, they gave there 500 deposits now. I've heard of a reserve list. as is it is good to go. Those at TVR have spent years doing this. the will not change anything much now (beyond productionising details,etc)

[BJWoods]

megaphone said:

I appreciate the exhaust positioning is compromised by the flat floor. I just think the back end looks wrong without big exhausts at the rear, looks like something is missing.

maybe in ten years... having big back exhausts will look 'wrong'... anything new can look wrong, cf status quo

ie - if I design what people wanted in personal transports, it would be a faster horse that poops less and a lighter horse drawn buggy... (Ford, made up quote, by me)

[RichardD]

BJWoods said:

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I d agree as the bodywork is not structural, some panels could be changed..
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Does anyone know how the exhausts are cooled whilst the car is moving? Where does the air come from?

I ask this as it is possible that the nose has been designed so that the extremeties of the opening (upper corners) are where the exhaust cooling air comes from. I am just speculating here .

[BJWoods]

RichardD said:

Does anyone know how the exhausts are cooled whilst the car is moving? Where does the air come from?

I ask this as it is possible that the nose has been designed so that the extremeties of the opening (upper corners) are where the exhaust cooling air comes from. I am just speculating here .

If you watch this video.. Les talks about some of this, and hidden details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUeCXMPmyvk&t=...

I'm sure it will work, as the Mercedes McLaren SLR has the exact same layout. and Gordon Murray designed that as well.. all those millions spent by Mercedes/McLaren to solve those issues, in Gordon's head ready for this car!

[GTrr]

Moycie said:

Another of the front 3/4, from tvr.co.uk


new-car-banner-home-front by Aaron Moyce, on Flickr

the head lights still ruin it for me; with diffent lights it could look way better, alhtough still a bit bland though ...

Aren't there any video's of what the car sounds like? Bit weird that we haven't seen any.

[Moycie]

BJWoods said:

RichardD said:

Does anyone know how the exhausts are cooled whilst the car is moving? Where does the air come from?

I ask this as it is possible that the nose has been designed so that the extremeties of the opening (upper corners) are where the exhaust cooling air comes from. I am just speculating here .

If you watch this video.. Les talks about some of this, and hidden details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUeCXMPmyvk&t=...

I'm sure it will work, as the Mercedes McLaren SLR has the exact same layout. and Gordon Murray designed that as well.. all those millions spent by Mercedes/McLaren to solve those issues, in Gordon's head ready for this car!

Yeah, it routes from the front grill and also a small aperture under the car below each exhaust area, and drawers the air through the "chimney stack" plus out the side vents grill with a venturi effect.

At least, that's what I remember off the top of my head, speaking with Les as I had a one-to-one tour around the car. There is some detailed engineering in this new car, some of which isn't seen, but demonstrates the thought that has gone into the whole design.

[RichardD]

BJWoods said:

If you watch this video.. Les talks about some of this, and hidden details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUeCXMPmyvk&t=...

I'm sure it will work, as the Mercedes McLaren SLR has the exact same layout. and Gordon Murray designed that as well.. all those millions spent by Mercedes/McLaren to solve those issues, in Gordon's head ready for this car!

Thanks for the link, I wasn't meaning to sound like questioning if it had been done or that it will work as intended (I've aready seen LE mentioning exhaust cooling on video), but more suggesting that playing with the shape of the nose would most likely have consequences - such as loosing or having to redesign the exhaust cooling ducting / pipework.

@ Moycie for that info.

Edited by RichardD on Friday 22 September 12:19

[NuddyRap]

FlipFlopGriff said:

On the flip side its a plastic moulded piece so wouldn't imagine too costly to change. If making changes to the front end (the biggest gripe seems to be the front end) sells 50 cars a year more and makes existing buyers happier (or not request a refund of their deposit) I would imagine a worthy investment. Its a prototype at the minute so liable to change in typical TVR fashion. I'd wait another 2 months if thats what it takes - its already behind the plan and I don't see anyone having a problem with that.
FFG

Yep.

Changing this isn't a big ask at all. An ex-Opel was talking with me about the outgoing corsa, mentioning that for the facelift they used the same physical moulds as the pre-facelift car, but were allowed to mill out IIRC between 2mm and 20mm in order to retain the integrity of the mould, so they designed the facelift within that offset of the original bumper sets.

Since it is a cheap plastic bumper, squaring off that smile is just a small amount of Alias work and a bit of extra milling. It's not an F1 car, so the aero effect would be negligible and it's an opening anyway. I doubt anything meaningful is mounted to or obscured by those upturns in the corners.

I'll make an hour to do the Alias work for free to get rid of that silly grin.

[TA14]

NuddyRap said:

so the aero effect would be negligible

I think that as well - it may even have a positive aero effect.

[anonymous-user]

El stovey said:

I thought it was a Toyota or Mazda at first.

Looks a bit dull and girly with that funny face. Certainly not like a TVR anyway, will there be enough women and hairdressers to buy it?

So you came to a thread about the new tvr, saw a picture of the new tvr and thought it was a Toyota or Mazda? Says more about you than the car mate. Does your mum help you type these posts?