New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
saxon said:
I actually think as a complete package it looks fantastic and wish I could afford one! I do think it will be by far the best engineered TVR in history and I completely agree with the poster earlier who said that this is TVR evolving to a totally new stratosphere of professional competence. In many ways they're no longer the man in a shed, sculpted by a dog and engineered on the back of a fag packet that they once were. For some this will be a little sad but I think it's a necessity if they are to remain a formidable player in the long term.
Having said all that I agree that if there is a weak side to the car it is the front. I still think the 1990's Griff was one of the most perfect designs ever penned and the front is just stunning - yes, better than the new Griffith. It manages to be very curvaceous, pure, timeless and yet slightly menacing all at the same time. I think much of that is down to the fairing of the front headlights which is just so right and I think if they could find a way of incorporating the lines of the original Griffith headlights into the new Griff they would have a better looking car.
I do think this is a superior nose design:
It would also play the heritage card if they could incorporate it.
Saxon
personally the 500 front end was better than the Precat front end (so that changed!) Having said all that I agree that if there is a weak side to the car it is the front. I still think the 1990's Griff was one of the most perfect designs ever penned and the front is just stunning - yes, better than the new Griffith. It manages to be very curvaceous, pure, timeless and yet slightly menacing all at the same time. I think much of that is down to the fairing of the front headlights which is just so right and I think if they could find a way of incorporating the lines of the original Griffith headlights into the new Griff they would have a better looking car.
I do think this is a superior nose design:
It would also play the heritage card if they could incorporate it.
Saxon
Edited by saxon on Saturday 23 September 20:50
All pics from the brilliant: https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=k76yS3Y3kUL&... (thanks again to vulcant).
I've been trying to get a hang of what i dont' like about the front, but after looking at these pictures and moving around the car i've come to the conclusion that the front is just fine. This has also confirmed my view that the car looks way better with the wing down and i now think that the diffusor was better looking in the March-reveal-version (i believe it had slightly less overhang).
These shots with the 3d cam have been taken from a more natural viewpoint of someone standing. This, the lighting and moving around it gives a so much better impression.
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I've been trying to get a hang of what i dont' like about the front, but after looking at these pictures and moving around the car i've come to the conclusion that the front is just fine. This has also confirmed my view that the car looks way better with the wing down and i now think that the diffusor was better looking in the March-reveal-version (i believe it had slightly less overhang).
These shots with the 3d cam have been taken from a more natural viewpoint of someone standing. This, the lighting and moving around it gives a so much better impression.
[url]FlipFlopGriff said:
Where do you get a brochure/leaflet? I haven't had one yet. Been to the local specialist (a heritage and performance approved supplier) who doesn't have any either.
FFG
They were handing them out at Goodwood, you can have mine if I've still got it but I binned a lot of Goodwood papers and stuff in the Recycling. FFG
bullittmcqueen said:
Here's a bigger grab of the leaflet orange side pic:
Great color.
It's almost if different designers did the bit in front of the slash by the exhaust. Far too slab sided with no curves or style from that point forward. Not overly keen on a lack of rear to front rake between the wings either, almost like someone's drawn a level straight line between them... Love it from the quarters, but directly front on and from the side on at the front lets it down, it is not cohesive imho. Great color.
I think someone has already mentioned the design was set a long time ago and no change has been attempted since despite feedback. They Had a lot of feedback at the deposit holders reveal in this area and went headlong into the goodwood event regardless. I will concede it is a grower and that is the reason I suspect all those that have been directly involved have grown use to it now and can't see it.
Other than that I like it!!!
PoleDriver said:
I think that L.E. missed an opportunity by not painting the show car in a flip paint finish! In fact, I'm not sure I've seen any pictures which aren't a single colour?
Would you care to elaborate on the missed opportunity, Les and team have deposits on all 500 LE models and a further waiting list and additional deposits from those wanting to spec their own car.Find it unbelievable that so many seem to know how to design, build promote, sell a new build car.
So many must be in the wrong vocation, or is it easy to be key board warrior and try and point out what they think is the obvious when so far off the mark...............
Edited by tighnamara on Sunday 24th September 01:56
tighnamara said:
PoleDriver said:
I think that L.E. missed an opportunity by not painting the show car in a flip paint finish! In fact, I'm not sure I've seen any pictures which aren't a single colour?
Would you care to elaborate on the missed opportunity, Les and team have deposits on all 500 LE models and a further waiting list and additional deposits from those wanting to spec their own car.Find it unbelievable that so many seem to know how to design, build promote, sell a new build car.
So many must be in the wrong vocation, or is it easy to be key board warrior and try and point out what they think is the obvious when so far off the mark...............
Candy apple red I feel would have been a better colour choice for the show car, or (shock horror) pearl white I think would have been a great colour too. Especially with those wheels. Anyway, I'm sure there'll be loads of colour options so time will tell which look the best.
FlipFlopGriff said:
Better? Personal opinion. Better for cooling maybe but thats it.
FFG
I loved my old 4.3 (had it 6 years) just personal pref for 500 nose. mainly because of the number plate, looks a bit tacked on, on the 4.3, vs how it is on the 500.. Number plates off, nothing much in it.. anyway the 500 needs to look like that for cooling.FFG
As soon as the motoring journalists get a hold of this, test drives, performance figures, etc. I think TVR will be inundated with interest/deposits. (Ithink there may already be a reserve list) nothing on this earth is more cynical than a motoring journalist and the resurrection of a (nearly) dead British sports car company. BUT they are all wildly positive. the Murray effect probably.. and they all seem to want what TVR is offering, perhaps they are tired of ever heavier, more complex, mid engined cars that all look the same..
Edited by BJWoods on Sunday 24th September 13:03
dvs_dave said:
A flip paint was a classic TVR thing. Arguably the novelty wore off 15 years ago so it was probably wise not to do the new car in a flip paint. Flip paint still looks great (even though it's not currently fashionable), but it's very marmite and some of the offerings are pretty bold, to put it kindly. Reflex purple would be good to see as that's one of the more classic and subtle ones which accentuates the curves nicely.
Candy apple red I feel would have been a better colour choice for the show car, or (shock horror) pearl white I think would have been a great colour too. Especially with those wheels. Anyway, I'm sure there'll be loads of colour options so time will tell which look the best.
I would love to see it in a pearl white. I feel that this colour would have really suited the Griff, and would have helped to highlight the details, as a fair amount of them are black. Candy apple red I feel would have been a better colour choice for the show car, or (shock horror) pearl white I think would have been a great colour too. Especially with those wheels. Anyway, I'm sure there'll be loads of colour options so time will tell which look the best.
Hopefully I'll get to see one in the metal in a few years!
wanacoop said:
Hopefully I'll get to see one in the metal in a few years!
Out of interest does anyone know what the cars will be made of? I understand the LE (Les Edgar/Limited Edition) 500 are carbon fibre but what after that? Steel? Fibre Glass? I did ask a chap in a black boiler suit on the stand but he didn't seem to know... 
RichB said:
ut of interest does anyone know what the cars will be made of? I understand the LE (Les Edgar/Limited Edition) 500 are carbon fibre but what after that? Steel? Fibre Glass? I did ask a chap in a black boiler suit on the stand but he didn't seem to know...
I understand the frame is a mix of steel and carbon fibre, the bodywork is aluminium (bonnet, boot) and composite.
Just stumbled upon this in a German newspaper:
https://www.welt.de/motor/article169060287/Elektro...
(it's German, headline translates to "Electronics are the new rust". Or should that be "Electrics", not sure ? )
Basically shows the immense problems electronic control units are posing for otherwise mechanically fine cars. Hard to diagnose problems, complex cabling (3.5 km wires in a VW Phaeton), 40+ electronic control units and measurement systems. Most likely no replacement parts after a while.
Article states that in the old days there were basically 3 reasons for the engine not running, no fuel, no air or no spark. Nowadays you can't tell without complex diagnosis, if at all. Stories of suspected parts renewed until the problems went away without really knowing why, corroded contacts sending faulty signals etc.
Les has said that they wanted to keep the level of electronics to a minimum as that stuff tends break at some point, exactly the point the article makes. But a certain level of electronics will be unavoidable, ABS, steering, emission, power management, etc.
In the official reveal video, Les was driving a 50 year old Griff. Does anyone believe, someone will be driving the new Griff in 50 years down the road (exclusively related to the electronics discussion, without discussing oil prices, taxes, electric cars, legislation, climate-change, earthquakes, alien-attacks, etc.) ?
Does one have to look at cars differently these days ? Will Goodwood always be about cars from the 40s to 60s because no contemporary car will ever make to the 30+ years age and still be driving ?
Edit:
What's your impression on self-serviceability of the new car ? Engine compartment looks pretty packed. Will they use metric or imperial ?
https://www.welt.de/motor/article169060287/Elektro...
(it's German, headline translates to "Electronics are the new rust". Or should that be "Electrics", not sure ? )
Basically shows the immense problems electronic control units are posing for otherwise mechanically fine cars. Hard to diagnose problems, complex cabling (3.5 km wires in a VW Phaeton), 40+ electronic control units and measurement systems. Most likely no replacement parts after a while.
Article states that in the old days there were basically 3 reasons for the engine not running, no fuel, no air or no spark. Nowadays you can't tell without complex diagnosis, if at all. Stories of suspected parts renewed until the problems went away without really knowing why, corroded contacts sending faulty signals etc.
Les has said that they wanted to keep the level of electronics to a minimum as that stuff tends break at some point, exactly the point the article makes. But a certain level of electronics will be unavoidable, ABS, steering, emission, power management, etc.
In the official reveal video, Les was driving a 50 year old Griff. Does anyone believe, someone will be driving the new Griff in 50 years down the road (exclusively related to the electronics discussion, without discussing oil prices, taxes, electric cars, legislation, climate-change, earthquakes, alien-attacks, etc.) ?
Does one have to look at cars differently these days ? Will Goodwood always be about cars from the 40s to 60s because no contemporary car will ever make to the 30+ years age and still be driving ?
Edit:
What's your impression on self-serviceability of the new car ? Engine compartment looks pretty packed. Will they use metric or imperial ?
Edited by bullittmcqueen on Wednesday 27th September 09:13
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