New TVR still under wraps!
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jmorgan said:
TwinKam said:
swisstoni said:
Next model is going to have to be called the Dragon isn’t it?
Hmmmm... the Nationalists would probably insist on having something like this... Draig
Dragon
which loses some impact
Anyway, "Tard" seems to be a good name.
But for marketing a bit of alliteration doesn't go amiss, so call the next one The TVR Taffy
A comment on the detailed design that no-one else seems to have made.
Many cars these days have exhausts having a large chromed end. However, if you look a few inches into the chromed end, the pipe feeding into this is actually noticeably smaller. This is presumably intended to make you think that the car has a bigger engine than it actually has, because the exhausts look bigger than they actually are. For example, the Nissan GTR exhausts look huge, but a closer look shows a smaller bore feeding into the chromed end.
Unfortunately, from the pictures the new Griff seems to have exactly the same feature (large chrome bore end, but smaller bore pipe into this), which for me is disappointing. The exhausts on my Tamora look - and probably are - larger than the Griff's, as the bore doesn't increase at the end.
Anyone else have a similar opinion, or am I missing something?
Many cars these days have exhausts having a large chromed end. However, if you look a few inches into the chromed end, the pipe feeding into this is actually noticeably smaller. This is presumably intended to make you think that the car has a bigger engine than it actually has, because the exhausts look bigger than they actually are. For example, the Nissan GTR exhausts look huge, but a closer look shows a smaller bore feeding into the chromed end.
Unfortunately, from the pictures the new Griff seems to have exactly the same feature (large chrome bore end, but smaller bore pipe into this), which for me is disappointing. The exhausts on my Tamora look - and probably are - larger than the Griff's, as the bore doesn't increase at the end.
Anyone else have a similar opinion, or am I missing something?
julianc said:
A comment on the detailed design that no-one else seems to have made.
Many cars these days have exhausts having a large chromed end. However, if you look a few inches into the chromed end, the pipe feeding into this is actually noticeably smaller. This is presumably intended to make you think that the car has a bigger engine than it actually has, because the exhausts look bigger than they actually are. For example, the Nissan GTR exhausts look huge, but a closer look shows a smaller bore feeding into the chromed end.
Unfortunately, from the pictures the new Griff seems to have exactly the same feature (large chrome bore end, but smaller bore pipe into this), which for me is disappointing. The exhausts on my Tamora look - and probably are - larger than the Griff's, as the bore doesn't increase at the end.
Anyone else have a similar opinion, or am I missing something?
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this. Many cars these days have exhausts having a large chromed end. However, if you look a few inches into the chromed end, the pipe feeding into this is actually noticeably smaller. This is presumably intended to make you think that the car has a bigger engine than it actually has, because the exhausts look bigger than they actually are. For example, the Nissan GTR exhausts look huge, but a closer look shows a smaller bore feeding into the chromed end.
Unfortunately, from the pictures the new Griff seems to have exactly the same feature (large chrome bore end, but smaller bore pipe into this), which for me is disappointing. The exhausts on my Tamora look - and probably are - larger than the Griff's, as the bore doesn't increase at the end.
Anyone else have a similar opinion, or am I missing something?
megaphone said:
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
I agree, it doesn’t look right and It’s difficult doing it like this because if you don’t want them to be seen, you have to have it set back into the car. As you said, looks like the exhaust gasses will be close to the driver and passenger when stationary. 
megaphone said:
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
"exhausts should come out of the rear" - luddite statement of the century?they come out of the side , so that the car can have a flat floor, and enhanced aerodynamics/downforce.. which is good for a sports car...
go tell Gordon Murray how useless he is at aero.. go on..
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 17th January 13:49
BJWoods said:
megaphone said:
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
"exhausts should come out of the rear" - luddite statement of the century?they come out of the side , so that the car can have a flat floor, and enhanced aerodynamics/downforce.. which is good for a sports car...
go tell Gordon Murray how useless he is at aero.. go on..
...’earth’ to Gordon...scrap the flat floor..!!..exhausts out the back n a pair of collapsible wings needed..make em flush mounted ala the new Velar..
..can just imagine ‘Taffy n Daffyd’ on the production line with GM’s revised blue-print in hand..sayin..this baby really gonna fly now...
...’earth’ to Gordon...ya now gotta shift the engine to the back .... make the rear spoiler a tad bigger..n alert Welsh highways to put some landing lights on the entrance / exit to the new ‘hangar’...
ianwayne said:
The front end as it has been presented may be like that for a reason. Perhaps not full wind tunnel tests but computer modelling at least.
It appears that cooling airflow is gathered and funneled through vents below the headlamps. It will likely need a lot of cooling air on the move if the side exit exhausts are maintained!
Edited for typos
I think some of you are getting a bit too carried away with all the aero hype. It appears that cooling airflow is gathered and funneled through vents below the headlamps. It will likely need a lot of cooling air on the move if the side exit exhausts are maintained!
Edited for typos
Edited by ianwayne on Wednesday 17th January 10:04
Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of f
k all difference to the aero performance.Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 17th January 18:03
dvs_dave said:
I think some of you are getting a bit too carried away with all the aero hype.
Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of fk all difference to the aero performance.
Spot on. Add to that the fact said aero will be doing bugger all until your around the 80mph mark. Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of f
k all difference to the aero performance.Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 17th January 18:03
The main problem with these side exhausts and no cross pipe is that it makes the car sound like a Honda c90 with the silencer removed.
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