New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
I honestly think that the new Griffith is underpriced. £90k seems excellent value.
I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
Whatever you are on, I want some.I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
On a more serious note, I suspect TVR might need £145k for each one but I can't see people buying it at that price based on what we have seen so far.
spagbogdog said:
Whatever you are on, I want some.
It costing over the 90k doesn’t really make sense. The corvette is going mid engined as GM have said the front/rear platform is maxed out in terms of dynamics.Whoever’s been designing the new car will be faced with similar constraints.
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
I honestly think that the new Griffith is underpriced. £90k seems excellent value.
I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
Whatever you are on, I want some.I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
On a more serious note, I suspect TVR might need £145k for each one but I can't see people buying it at that price based on what we have seen so far.
I honestly can...
And firmly people will.
F-Type..?
Evora..?
I8...?
Etccccc...yaaaaawnnnnn....
Naaaah !!!
TVR will make more models. “For sure...” More upgrades. “For sure...”. Owners will have RR’s as their daily’s.. “For sure..”
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
I honestly think that the new Griffith is underpriced. £90k seems excellent value.
I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
Whatever you are on, I want some.I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
On a more serious note, I suspect TVR might need £145k for each one but I can't see people buying it at that price based on what we have seen so far.
I honestly can...
And firmly people will.
F-Type..?
Evora..?
I8...?
Etccccc...yaaaaawnnnnn....
Naaaah !!!
TVR will make more models. “For sure...” More upgrades. “For sure...”. Owners will have RR’s as their daily’s.. “For sure..”
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
Monkeylegend said:
spagbogdog said:
I honestly think that the new Griffith is underpriced. £90k seems excellent value.
I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
Whatever you are on, I want some.I suspect it really needs to be £145k.
I further suspect that once people realise what they’ve got they will feel very privileged indeed.
Les knows he has to win over the doubters..the ‘nay sayers’.
A ‘loss~leader’...?
Able to leave a Sag way behind in its rear view mirror..and at the same time wrapping its arm around its ‘Father’...saying “c’mon Dad..let’s have some fun..let’s go f..k em all..”
On a more serious note, I suspect TVR might need £145k for each one but I can't see people buying it at that price based on what we have seen so far.
I honestly can...
And firmly people will.
F-Type..?
Evora..?
I8...?
Etccccc...yaaaaawnnnnn....
Naaaah !!!
TVR will make more models. “For sure...” More upgrades. “For sure...”. Owners will have RR’s as their daily’s.. “For sure..”
I loved both mine, but those were the flawed days of brute force and ignorance, which for me summed up the ethos of TVR during the PW era. Time will tell but personally I wouldn't spend that much even if I had the money, which I don't.
m4tti said:
spagbogdog said:
Brute force ....
F-Type
911 Turbo
Both considerably more expensive....
It’s not brute force though. Why would you even think that?F-Type
911 Turbo
Both considerably more expensive....
It’s active suspension and drivetrain. That’s how a Carlos fandangos new age car with 300hp beats a 500hp analogoue car
My point being that a car designed and influenced by GM..with “state of the art” chassis..carbon~fibre tub..bespoke wheels, tyres etc...and an engine developed by Cosworth .. all cost ... absolutely “sh..t~loads”... !
For TVR to be able to repay their partners they’ve gotta shift their product.
In order to shift their product they’ve gotta make it unbelievably good.
Hence my thoughts that the LE is way underpriced...and a “loss leader”. They will sell less well equipped models and provide suitable upgrades...for those that want / crave more ‘power’.
Similar performance costs way more than £90k.
Edited by spagbogdog on Sunday 18th February 23:25
bullittmcqueen said:
You seem to have a cool granny At least from that point of view they both hardly raise the impression of being family cars.
I really like the Sag, there's no denying. Point with your comparison simply is, that they are not available in numbers. You cannot buy 500 Sags. Btw, i'm sure they could have built a compliant Sag-Look-a-like, but it would not have worked from a marketing perspective.
As i said, i was about to spend an amount higher than that for the Griff into a semi-legal, life-threatening Cobra-replica with potential for shutdown by police at any drive-by. Glad i didn't, now i'm counting the days till i get my Griff.
ps.: Don't take GMs comment personally, you have to admit: being able to adjust the seats with closed doors is a nice feat. Ah, and to make that clear: the "oldtimer" was the Sag, not you
At least from that point of view they both hardly raise the impression of being family cars. I really like the Sag, there's no denying. Point with your comparison simply is, that they are not available in numbers. You cannot buy 500 Sags. Btw, i'm sure they could have built a compliant Sag-Look-a-like, but it would not have worked from a marketing perspective.
As i said, i was about to spend an amount higher than that for the Griff into a semi-legal, life-threatening Cobra-replica with potential for shutdown by police at any drive-by. Glad i didn't, now i'm counting the days till i get my Griff.
ps.: Don't take GMs comment personally, you have to admit: being able to adjust the seats with closed doors is a nice feat. Ah, and to make that clear: the "oldtimer" was the Sag, not you
and to make it clear, yes there is part of me thats jealous your going to take delivery of a new Griff 
- just not jealous enough to make me want to sell my Sag. I sure the new Griff will be faster both in a straight line and in the corners, be better made, have more tech - just not as mad looking. Think I must just be to much of an extrovert Admit I do love those front exiting exhausts though! Couldn't give a stuff that it allows the car to have a flat floor - they just look great
spagbogdog said:
Correct..
My point being that a car designed and influenced by GM..with “state of the art” chassis..carbon~fibre tub..bespoke wheels, tyres etc...and an engine developed by Cosworth .. all cost ... absolutely “sh..t~loads”... !
For TVR to be able to repay their partners they’ve gotta shift their product.
In order to shift their product they’ve gotta make it unbelievably good.
Hence my thoughts that the LE is way underpriced...and a “loss leader”. They will sell less well equipped models and provide suitable upgrades...for those that want / crave more ‘power’.
Similar performance costs way more than £90k.
Although it’s not a carbon fibre tub, it’s a tubular chassis with panels bonded in, and it’s a £4k mustang engine with a dry sump bolted on... so it’s likely to cost a lot less than you’d imagine. My point being that a car designed and influenced by GM..with “state of the art” chassis..carbon~fibre tub..bespoke wheels, tyres etc...and an engine developed by Cosworth .. all cost ... absolutely “sh..t~loads”... !
For TVR to be able to repay their partners they’ve gotta shift their product.
In order to shift their product they’ve gotta make it unbelievably good.
Hence my thoughts that the LE is way underpriced...and a “loss leader”. They will sell less well equipped models and provide suitable upgrades...for those that want / crave more ‘power’.
Similar performance costs way more than £90k.
Edited by spagbogdog on Sunday 18th February 23:25
m4tti said:
spagbogdog said:
Correct..
My point being that a car designed and influenced by GM..with “state of the art” chassis..carbon~fibre tub..bespoke wheels, tyres etc...and an engine developed by Cosworth .. all cost ... absolutely “sh..t~loads”... !
For TVR to be able to repay their partners they’ve gotta shift their product.
In order to shift their product they’ve gotta make it unbelievably good.
Hence my thoughts that the LE is way underpriced...and a “loss leader”. They will sell less well equipped models and provide suitable upgrades...for those that want / crave more ‘power’.
Similar performance costs way more than £90k.
Although it’s not a carbon fibre tub, it’s a tubular chassis with panels bonded in, and it’s a £4k mustang engine with a dry sump bolted on... so it’s likely to cost a lot less than you’d imagine. My point being that a car designed and influenced by GM..with “state of the art” chassis..carbon~fibre tub..bespoke wheels, tyres etc...and an engine developed by Cosworth .. all cost ... absolutely “sh..t~loads”... !
For TVR to be able to repay their partners they’ve gotta shift their product.
In order to shift their product they’ve gotta make it unbelievably good.
Hence my thoughts that the LE is way underpriced...and a “loss leader”. They will sell less well equipped models and provide suitable upgrades...for those that want / crave more ‘power’.
Similar performance costs way more than £90k.
Edited by spagbogdog on Sunday 18th February 23:25
My view is that new tvr should have started with a cheaper more interesting looking car, to prove reliability and build up the brand again before entering an already packed segment of the market full of established prestigious brands.
I know people on here might buy a new tvr because they love tvr but if you’re not a tvr fan, £90,000 gets you some very good sports cars right now.
phazed said:
Yep, you are talking to a Mercedes owner so I get that, wouldn’t be without mine.
Having just come back from a 120 mile fun drive today in my Chim with similar power to weight ratio as the new griff, I can tell you that it was great fun but put a little finesse in there and keep the same sort of recipe and I could definitely go for that.
your Chim has 420bhp? blimey, what engine have you got?Having just come back from a 120 mile fun drive today in my Chim with similar power to weight ratio as the new griff, I can tell you that it was great fun but put a little finesse in there and keep the same sort of recipe and I could definitely go for that.
El stovey said:
I think he was drunk when he was posting about it being a loss leader. I think it’s going to be hard enough selling a £90,000 car from a new manufacturer let alone a more expensive one.
My view is that new tvr should have started with a cheaper more interesting looking car, to prove reliability and build up the brand again before entering an already packed segment of the market full of established prestigious brands.
I know people on here might buy a new tvr because they love tvr but if you’re not a tvr fan, £90,000 gets you some very good sports cars right now.
TVR has sold all 500 of the LE deposits and is now building a reserve list. Thats without the car even being widely known to the public or driven by anyone. Unless you are predicting that a large chunk of the depositeers are going to withdraw? So selling a £90k from a "new" manufacturer hasnt actually been that hard? My view is that new tvr should have started with a cheaper more interesting looking car, to prove reliability and build up the brand again before entering an already packed segment of the market full of established prestigious brands.
I know people on here might buy a new tvr because they love tvr but if you’re not a tvr fan, £90,000 gets you some very good sports cars right now.
I think when the car is fully exposed to the general public and seen on shows like Top Gear and drives round as fast as sports cars costing £30-40K more then there will be even more demand for the new Griffith. £90k may well look like very good value!
essexstu said:
El stovey said:
I think he was drunk when he was posting about it being a loss leader. I think it’s going to be hard enough selling a £90,000 car from a new manufacturer let alone a more expensive one.
My view is that new tvr should have started with a cheaper more interesting looking car, to prove reliability and build up the brand again before entering an already packed segment of the market full of established prestigious brands.
I know people on here might buy a new tvr because they love tvr but if you’re not a tvr fan, £90,000 gets you some very good sports cars right now.
TVR has sold all 500 of the LE deposits and is now building a reserve list. Thats without the car even being widely known to the public or driven by anyone. Unless you are predicting that a large chunk of the depositeers are going to withdraw? So selling a £90k from a "new" manufacturer hasnt actually been that hard? My view is that new tvr should have started with a cheaper more interesting looking car, to prove reliability and build up the brand again before entering an already packed segment of the market full of established prestigious brands.
I know people on here might buy a new tvr because they love tvr but if you’re not a tvr fan, £90,000 gets you some very good sports cars right now.
I think when the car is fully exposed to the general public and seen on shows like Top Gear and drives round as fast as sports cars costing £30-40K more then there will be even more demand for the new Griffith. £90k may well look like very good value!
I have never owned a TVR before (always wanted one since the days of the Griffith [90s version]) and have a deposit down. My car buying history is mainly Porsche with some McLaren and BMW thrown in.
The amount of whinging on here by so-called fans of the brand is beyond belief. It looks much better in the flesh than in the pictures. It will have 400bhp/ton and a bent V8. Manual box. LSD. Gordon Murray. Hopefully decent reliability. WTF else do you need to know?!
As for the price, name me something under £100k that has 400bhp/ton in unmodified spec and a manual box. This car is playing to a segment of enthusiasts that have been all but abandoned by the modern car industry.
The amount of whinging on here by so-called fans of the brand is beyond belief. It looks much better in the flesh than in the pictures. It will have 400bhp/ton and a bent V8. Manual box. LSD. Gordon Murray. Hopefully decent reliability. WTF else do you need to know?!
As for the price, name me something under £100k that has 400bhp/ton in unmodified spec and a manual box. This car is playing to a segment of enthusiasts that have been all but abandoned by the modern car industry.
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