New TVR still under wraps!
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m4tti said:
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If everybody donates just one pound we can help Billy live the life he deserves, giving him a proud face and removing that fish look forever.
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After seeing that pic, the only way I could be more disappointed in the new TVR would be if it had ePAS.Car aid is charity close to my heart, and you as a car enthusiast can help “Billy Mc Griffith” by donating just One pound.
If everybody donates just one pound we can help Billy live the life he deserves, giving him a proud face and removing that fish look forever.
If we don’t take action now, Billy and his family will be destined to a life spiralling out of control. So help now, pledge just one pound to Billy and give him and his offspring the life they deserve.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 8th June 00:28
not seen these before. been on the GMD facebook page for a while
https://www.facebook.com/GordonMurrayDesign/photos...
https://www.facebook.com/GordonMurrayDesign/photos...
phazed said:
m4tti said:
Nice try but I prefer Mr smiley, much more cohesive design in my opinion.I see what you’re getting at but the original design has really grown on me and seems individual.
m4tti said:
Car Aid -
Car aid is charity close to my heart, and you as a car enthusiast can help “Billy Mc Griffith” by donating just One pound.
If everybody donates just one pound we can help Billy live the life he deserves, giving him a proud face and removing that fish look forever.
If we don’t take action now, Billy and his family will be destined to a life spiralling out of control. So help now, pledge just one pound to Billy and give him and his offspring the life they deserve.
Car aid is charity close to my heart, and you as a car enthusiast can help “Billy Mc Griffith” by donating just One pound.
If everybody donates just one pound we can help Billy live the life he deserves, giving him a proud face and removing that fish look forever.
If we don’t take action now, Billy and his family will be destined to a life spiralling out of control. So help now, pledge just one pound to Billy and give him and his offspring the life they deserve.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 8th June 00:28
AM~V struggling to live up to expectations in first round qualifying ....
...just sayin...
I remember the V8 Vantage in 2005 didn't get great reviews - I also didn't think it was as hardcore as they made out - but it stood the test of time and an 05 V8 is still a lovey thing to behold amongst the humdrum.
In my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
In my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
Testarossa said:
I remember the V8 Vantage in 2005 didn't get great reviews - I also didn't think it was as hardcore as they made out - but it stood the test of time and an 05 V8 is still a lovey thing to behold amongst the humdrum.
In my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new Aston, as tested on the road weight, is over 1700kgs, Car magazine editor, is complaining about dry weights being quoted by manufacturers and why is the car so heavy. the Aston has ~500 bhpIn my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new TVR, is ~1250kg with fluids.. and has the same ~500 bhp....
Not sure about next level, but for 30-50+k cheaper (no Aston will be on the road at £120k with no options) , the TVR should leave the Aston for dust, straights and corners (assuming GMD can still design a good chassis) .
[note.. I also really like the new Aston, though i would personally wait for a manual)
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 08:59
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 09:01
BJWoods said:
the new Aston, as tested on the road weight, is over 1700kgs, Car magazine editor, is complaining about dry weights being quoted by manufacturers and why is the car so heavy. the Aston has ~500 bhp
Evo magazine also moaned about the Aston's weight in their recent group test of it. It was far from universally loved. Heavy weight does add to its GT credentials though, if not so much for driving involvement/agility. BJWoods said:
Testarossa said:
I remember the V8 Vantage in 2005 didn't get great reviews - I also didn't think it was as hardcore as they made out - but it stood the test of time and an 05 V8 is still a lovey thing to behold amongst the humdrum.
In my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new Aston, as tested on the road weight, is over 1700kgs, Car magazine editor, is complaining about dry weights being quoted by manufacturers and why is the car so heavy. the Aston has ~500 bhpIn my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new TVR, is ~1250kg with fluids.. and has the same ~500 bhp....
Not sure about next level, but for 30-50+k cheaper (no Aston will be on the road at £120k with no options) , the TVR should leave the Aston for dust, straights and corners (assuming GMD can still design a good chassis) .
[note.. I also really like the new Aston, though i would personally wait for a manual)
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 08:59
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 09:01
A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
m4tti said:
BJWoods said:
Testarossa said:
I remember the V8 Vantage in 2005 didn't get great reviews - I also didn't think it was as hardcore as they made out - but it stood the test of time and an 05 V8 is still a lovey thing to behold amongst the humdrum.
In my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new Aston, as tested on the road weight, is over 1700kgs, Car magazine editor, is complaining about dry weights being quoted by manufacturers and why is the car so heavy. the Aston has ~500 bhpIn my humble opinion, the new one may not be a track god or majestic on the road, but it has enough to be coveted for decades with only the 911 being an equal.
If TVR really want to compete with a "used" Aston Martin - the griff has to blow (more expensive) competition into the weeds, because it ain't no looker - does not have pedigree and GM's involvement without serious next level performance will have a whiff of Isuzu Piazza with handling by Lotus about it.
I am still excited though, but do have concerns...
the new TVR, is ~1250kg with fluids.. and has the same ~500 bhp....
Not sure about next level, but for 30-50+k cheaper (no Aston will be on the road at £120k with no options) , the TVR should leave the Aston for dust, straights and corners (assuming GMD can still design a good chassis) .
[note.. I also really like the new Aston, though i would personally wait for a manual)
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 08:59
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 09:01
A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
m4tti said:
I don’t really get why you keep going back to the weight thing. It’s really not that relevant anymore. Have you been in a modern super car/performance car?
A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
we may not be in 1978, and a difference of a hundred or so kilos may not matter.. but half a TONNE?A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
I was directly comparing it with an Aston.. (also rear wheel drive, not a 4 wheel drive porsche, with an additional 80 bhp)
a 500 BHP TVR that weighs 1250kg
will leave a 500 bhp Aston, that weighs 1700 kg.. for dust.. and be better in the corners, and braking, etc
physics!!
[note 0-60 traction is major factor, as is 4 wheel drive vs rear wheel drive, ie porsche turbo)
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 16:25
m4tti said:
I don’t really get why you keep going back to the weight thing. It’s really not that relevant anymore. Have you been in a modern super car/performance car?
A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
No offence Matti but this is deeply misguided. Power figures are irrelevant without weight, power to weight is the real world factor and even that is relative to gearing. A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
Lighter weight does not only create better power-to-weight figures but better braking, cornering speeds and economy (hence range which is important for GT capabilities even if mpg per se is not).
As a potential customer of the new Vantage, I am deeply disappointed. The front looks like an MX-5, the rear is way too fussy and the interior looks like a Merc that's ram raided Halfords via a Nissan GTR accessories shop. The steering wheel is simply appalling and the switchgear is all over the place. In design terms it's a dog's breakfast and the 2005 car is so much more successful on every level.
Back to the point though, if the new TVR is anywhere near 400hp/ton, it's the Aston that won't see which way the TVR went. Assuming a decent differential, the TVR will be on another level in terms of driving fun (the Aston is a torque converter auto as fitted to diesel E class taxis for gods sake).
If they fit something like the Bosch traction control system as fitted to the Lotus Exige, it's the Aston that won't see which way the Griff went.
Personally I can't wait.
BJWoods said:
m4tti said:
I don’t really get why you keep going back to the weight thing. It’s really not that relevant anymore. Have you been in a modern super car/performance car?
A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
we may not be in 1978, and a difference of a hundred or so kilos may not matter.. but half a TONNE?A 911 turbo S is around 1700kg. Does 2.9 to 60 and I’m pretty confident it’ll go round a corner just as quick. Tvr won’t be leaving things like this for dust, it’ll be wondering where it went.
There’s no point comparing the TVR based on some rudimentary bhp/ton figure. It’s no longer the deciding factor. We’re not in 1978.
I was directly comparing it with an Aston.. (also rear wheel drive, not a 4 wheel drive porsche, with an additional 80 bhp)
a 500 BHP TVR that weighs 1250kg
will leave a 500 bhp Aston, that weighs 1700 kg.. for dust.. and be better in the corners, and braking, etc
physics!!
[note 0-60 traction is major factor, as is 4 wheel drive vs rear wheel drive, ie porsche turbo)
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 14th June 16:25
A couple of short videos of Les arriving at Le Mans with the Griffith which give a better indication of how it will sound as Les gives it some beans!
https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/videos/6137301556...
and
https://www.facebook.com/speedmatters/videos/10155...
https://www.facebook.com/tvrauto/videos/6137301556...
and
https://www.facebook.com/speedmatters/videos/10155...
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