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El stovey said:
bullittmcqueen said:
El stovey said:
Do they think,
it looks great and enough people will buy it.
It looks divisive but enough people will still buy it.
It looks divisive but it’s too late/expensive to change anything.
Alternating between these. depending on the time of day and also (in small parts) what we write in this forum. This is my honest opinion. I think everybody has been in a situation like this one (albeit not that extreme) where you invested a great deal of time/effort/sweat and you have no idea whether you're still in line with reality or about to fall off a cliff. it looks great and enough people will buy it.
It looks divisive but enough people will still buy it.
It looks divisive but it’s too late/expensive to change anything.
There isn't much room and before you look you have a ton of dependent things to change as well. There's no time to do that anymore. They need to order (fully specified) parts, fit a factory, secure finance, etc.
And what and how to change in the first place ? Based on which information/requests ? How much certain effort for an uncertain outcome ? Not going to happen.
We were promised a questionnaire, if everybody wants a grille, that might happen.
DonkeyApple said:
And that’s exactly what the majority do. It’s a law in accountancy and estate agency that when you reach a certain point in your career, whether you like cars or not, you have to buy a Porsche. That doesn’t preclude the new TVR it just means that they will be selling around the peripheries of that market but that’s still the market that is essential to them.
But you said yourself, they want a Porsche (and a Rolex). It’s about identifiable conspicuous consumption but still quality products. TVR has never been an aspirational brand like that and internationally it’s even worse.
This for me is where I think they’re going to really struggle. It’s not aspirational enough for Porsche customers, it’s too expensive for young people wanting a wild car.
I think they should have started with something that competes with Porsche boxters and caymans and built up the brand and dealer and support networks before trying to sell something competing with 911s.
Then there’s also the looks.
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
'Mouth' shape looks vaguely familiar. And those slitty 'eyes'. They won't sell with a silly face. 
That’s the whole point, it hasn’t got a silly face like the griff. 
It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
DonkeyApple said:
That’s the badge.
It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
It doesn’t look the same to me. The differences aren’t much but they make a huge overall impression. I’m 100% sure that it isn’t the badge. As we’ve seen through the thread, we all view the car differently.It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
I’ve got no great love for Ferrari at all.
Remove the horse and your'e left with an identical smilely-black hole...
The only issue with the Griff is the lights...they need to be encased within the bonnet-body-work...and not fold down underneath (which is incredibly difficult to understand wtfigo unless youv'e seen it in the flesh)..
That one subtle change is easy to make and far from a complicated design revision..
Les....jump to it PLEASE.....
The only issue with the Griff is the lights...they need to be encased within the bonnet-body-work...and not fold down underneath (which is incredibly difficult to understand wtfigo unless youv'e seen it in the flesh)..
That one subtle change is easy to make and far from a complicated design revision..
Les....jump to it PLEASE.....
Edited by spagbogdog on Thursday 20th September 12:54
El stovey said:
DonkeyApple said:
That’s the badge.
It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
It doesn’t look the same to me. The differences aren’t much but they make a huge overall impression. I’m 100% sure that it isn’t the badge. As we’ve seen through the thread, we all view the car differently.It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
I’ve got no great love for Ferrari at all.
Driller said:
El stovey said:
DonkeyApple said:
That’s the badge.
It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
It doesn’t look the same to me. The differences aren’t much but they make a huge overall impression. I’m 100% sure that it isn’t the badge. As we’ve seen through the thread, we all view the car differently.It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
I’ve got no great love for Ferrari at all.
I know what you mean..but there are quite a few optical Illusions going on that don’t tell the whole story.
The Fezza mouth looks far less aggressive imo once the ‘donkey’ has been removed...
bullittmcqueen said:
Some argue that it it is still be possible, but i'm sure that changing anything substantial is not feasible anymore. Take the smiley air-intake which is among the most criticized things for example:
There isn't much room and before you look you have a ton of dependent things to change as well. There's no time to do that anymore. They need to order (fully specified) parts, fit a factory, secure finance, etc.
And what and how to change in the first place ? Based on which information/requests ? How much certain effort for an uncertain outcome ? Not going to happen.
We were promised a questionnaire, if everybody wants a grille, that might happen.
I see your point but wasn’t the whole aim of Murray’s I-Stream production process designed around being able to go from design to production in ultra quick time?!There isn't much room and before you look you have a ton of dependent things to change as well. There's no time to do that anymore. They need to order (fully specified) parts, fit a factory, secure finance, etc.
And what and how to change in the first place ? Based on which information/requests ? How much certain effort for an uncertain outcome ? Not going to happen.
We were promised a questionnaire, if everybody wants a grille, that might happen.
I’m with the majority on here, I wanted it to look cool, it doesn’t.
If ever there was a time for Les to listen to the feedback it’s now!
MrChips said:
I see your point but wasn’t the whole aim of Murray’s I-Stream production process designed around being able to go from design to production in ultra quick time?!
I think it's not (yet) the production issues that are holding them back. You have type-approval, factory-outfitting, financing, dealing with investors, ordering parts, hiring people, design issues, (all in the right order), etc. But i believe that I-Stream will indeed help a lot in the (admittedly) small part of the production-process where it's actually applicable. Will be a small share of the overall process though. bullittmcqueen said:
MrChips said:
I see your point but wasn’t the whole aim of Murray’s I-Stream production process designed around being able to go from design to production in ultra quick time?!
I think it's not (yet) the production issues that are holding them back. You have type-approval, factory-outfitting, financing, dealing with investors, ordering parts, hiring people, design issues, (all in the right order), etc. But i believe that I-Stream will indeed help a lot in the (admittedly) small part of the production-process where it's actually applicable. Will be a small share of the overall process though. El stovey said:
bullittmcqueen said:
MrChips said:
I see your point but wasn’t the whole aim of Murray’s I-Stream production process designed around being able to go from design to production in ultra quick time?!
I think it's not (yet) the production issues that are holding them back. You have type-approval, factory-outfitting, financing, dealing with investors, ordering parts, hiring people, design issues, (all in the right order), etc. But i believe that I-Stream will indeed help a lot in the (admittedly) small part of the production-process where it's actually applicable. Will be a small share of the overall process though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJFMW0hB2ZI
spagbogdog said:
Driller said:
El stovey said:
DonkeyApple said:
That’s the badge.
It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
It doesn’t look the same to me. The differences aren’t much but they make a huge overall impression. I’m 100% sure that it isn’t the badge. As we’ve seen through the thread, we all view the car differently.It has the same silly smile of a sunshine bus passenger that the TVR has. The only real difference is this is squinting in the light as it disembarks.
I agree that the car looks stunning but maybe it is as you mentioned the other day that the whole package helps overcome the glasto gurner face.
I’ve got no great love for Ferrari at all.
I know what you mean..but there are quite a few optical Illusions going on that don’t tell the whole story.
The Fezza mouth looks far less aggressive imo once the ‘donkey’ has been removed...
IMO this improves the look of the front end.
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