New TVR still under wraps!
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unrepentant said:
It’s totally different.
“TVR” have nothing. They haven’t built even one production car. They have no premises. They have hardly any staff. They have no history of building cars.
Tesla has sold hundreds of thousands of cars. They have tangible results, people are driving around in their product. They are also innovators.
Not at the beginning though and that is what I am saying. Using that argument nobody would ever be able to start a business, plus TVR have a brand name with heritage, a car design (which has value) and production plans that are quite advanced. PLUS deposit holders who have committed to purchase, very few start up companies have customer orders and that type of demand before they start. “TVR” have nothing. They haven’t built even one production car. They have no premises. They have hardly any staff. They have no history of building cars.
Tesla has sold hundreds of thousands of cars. They have tangible results, people are driving around in their product. They are also innovators.
We need people like this to take a risk and create the things we enjoy. I won't speculate whether it will work out or not and as I don't have a deposit I can't really complain anyway.
But in reality am I pleased somebody is giving it a go, yes and I wish them all the best. Would I have the nerve to do it, probably not, but it's good there are people who have.
Edited by ahpboxster on Friday 7th December 09:12
Edited by ahpboxster on Friday 7th December 09:13
baconsarney said:
These
'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
This!'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
Jhonno said:
baconsarney said:
These
'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
This!'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
fatbutt said:
Jhonno said:
baconsarney said:
These
'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
This!'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that unless you hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
ahpboxster said:
unrepentant said:
It’s totally different.
“TVR” have nothing. They haven’t built even one production car. They have no premises. They have hardly any staff. They have no history of building cars.
Tesla has sold hundreds of thousands of cars. They have tangible results, people are driving around in their product. They are also innovators.
Not at the beginning though and that is what I am saying. Using that argument nobody would ever be able to start a business, plus TVR have a brand name with heritage, a car design (which has value) and production plans that are quite advanced. PLUS deposit holders who have committed to purchase, very few start up companies have customer orders and that type of demand before they start. “TVR” have nothing. They haven’t built even one production car. They have no premises. They have hardly any staff. They have no history of building cars.
Tesla has sold hundreds of thousands of cars. They have tangible results, people are driving around in their product. They are also innovators.
The automotive industry is a very, very expensive space to enter. Tesla were able to raise billions because what they were doing was innovative.
"TVR" doesn't have a heritage. It's a name, the heritage died when Blackpool closed, 12 years ago. They have a design, so what? There's plenty of sports car designs out there. They have deposits for a few hundred cars. But according to their accounts the deposit holders money is gone so in reality they have unfulfilled orders.
The automotive space has a very high cost of entry. Tesla were able to raise billions because they were genuinely innovative. Unfortunately history is littered with small car companies who never got off the ground. Some even had "heritage".
I hope when the bailiffs start knocking on Les's door demanding our deposits back, Les takes a moment to dwell on the fact that if he had just sorted that front out, he wouldn't be in the mess he is in now.
I'm just waiting for the renders on the website, if the company can't deliver, it can't deliver and if I've lost 5k, I've lost 5k. I've potentially lost a hell of a lot more in the past week
Once the renders are done and I don't "love" the end product, I'm going to contact Shmee and add his car to my wishlist which a lot of you will find strange and with no structure!
Shmee's tuned GT (as long as I'm not paying over the odds mate - I expect a bargain, we are virtually family now brother)
i8 Roadster, so much presence, not driven one, but I think I will like it - interior is a bit BMWy, but you can't have everything (unless you start a new car company and believe in yourself Les)
dbs/amv8/vanquish - will be fun shopping around.
Aventador S - if the stock market recovers and I didn't lose my nerve.
TVR Griffith Mark 2 - the one Les should have made originally but due to Gordon Murray got railroaded, now that China bought a large chunk of the business and threw Gordon out, it's the car it was destined to be, gorgeous/aggressive/fast, with widow maker status due to it's unforgiving behaviour on the road.
Alas, I will only get to drive it for a year because by 2025, all petrol cars will be banned from British roads.
Oh SLS if brexit helps drive the values lower (only because of the doors, I know the GT is better in every way, but those doors)
I'm just waiting for the renders on the website, if the company can't deliver, it can't deliver and if I've lost 5k, I've lost 5k. I've potentially lost a hell of a lot more in the past week
Once the renders are done and I don't "love" the end product, I'm going to contact Shmee and add his car to my wishlist which a lot of you will find strange and with no structure!
Shmee's tuned GT (as long as I'm not paying over the odds mate - I expect a bargain, we are virtually family now brother)
i8 Roadster, so much presence, not driven one, but I think I will like it - interior is a bit BMWy, but you can't have everything (unless you start a new car company and believe in yourself Les)
dbs/amv8/vanquish - will be fun shopping around.
Aventador S - if the stock market recovers and I didn't lose my nerve.
TVR Griffith Mark 2 - the one Les should have made originally but due to Gordon Murray got railroaded, now that China bought a large chunk of the business and threw Gordon out, it's the car it was destined to be, gorgeous/aggressive/fast, with widow maker status due to it's unforgiving behaviour on the road.
Alas, I will only get to drive it for a year because by 2025, all petrol cars will be banned from British roads.
Oh SLS if brexit helps drive the values lower (only because of the doors, I know the GT is better in every way, but those doors)
unrepentant said:
You don't get it. What Tesla did was change the scenery. Nobody was doing what they were doing and that's why they succeeded.
"TVR" doesn't have a heritage. It's a name, the heritage died when Blackpool closed, 12 years ago. They have a design, so what? There's plenty of sports car designs out there. They have deposits for a few hundred cars. But according to their accounts the deposit holders money is gone so in reality they have unfulfilled orders.
The automotive space has a very high cost of entry. Tesla were able to raise billions because they were genuinely innovative. Unfortunately history is littered with small car companies who never got off the ground. Some even had "heritage".
No what you don't get is that business can be created despite obstacles and objections and that is exactly why I mentioned Tesla. It is a different scale, but they identified an opening and went for it, they don't need to sell 10's of thousands of cars. As for your comment on Heritage, if that is the case why are so many TVR owners on here talking about it and being deposit holders. "TVR" doesn't have a heritage. It's a name, the heritage died when Blackpool closed, 12 years ago. They have a design, so what? There's plenty of sports car designs out there. They have deposits for a few hundred cars. But according to their accounts the deposit holders money is gone so in reality they have unfulfilled orders.
The automotive space has a very high cost of entry. Tesla were able to raise billions because they were genuinely innovative. Unfortunately history is littered with small car companies who never got off the ground. Some even had "heritage".
It's no different to many periods of TVR's previous history and in fact many other car brands.
I guess you would have told Morgan not to make the new 3 Wheeler then ?.
Sorry but you are clearly confusing scale with success, Tesla has yet to profit from it's revolutionising of the car industry and many other brands are now entering the market. Also their abbreviated accounts are a snap shot of something over 8 months ago, you have no clue what finance is in place since that, so claiming deposit money has gone is rather speculation than the reality you claim. The reality is you don't know.
Edited by ahpboxster on Friday 7th December 15:16
Edited by ahpboxster on Friday 7th December 15:17
Can i ask that when we reach page 400 we have a posting ban for 24 hours to allow the watchers amongst us to :-
Obtain fresh supplies of Pop Corn,
Visit the bathroom to refresh personal hygene,
Spend a couple of hours doing "those little jobs" that the otherr half has been nagging us about for the last 2 years,
Catch up on the vast list of Boxsets,
Mow The lawn (must need doing ,its above the window cills!)
Check the garage to make sure our TVR ("S) are still there.
(Feel free to add to the list!)
Obtain fresh supplies of Pop Corn,
Visit the bathroom to refresh personal hygene,
Spend a couple of hours doing "those little jobs" that the otherr half has been nagging us about for the last 2 years,
Catch up on the vast list of Boxsets,
Mow The lawn (must need doing ,its above the window cills!)
Check the garage to make sure our TVR ("S) are still there.
(Feel free to add to the list!)
m4tti said:
fatbutt said:
Jhonno said:
baconsarney said:
These
'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest thatunlessif you ever hear it from Les you're all just guessing/point scoring..
Properly getting on my tits
This!'I know stuff you don't'
'You know nothing'
'you're just guessing/speculating'
etc etc....
Really are fecking tiresome/boring/posturing rubbish....
I'd suggest that
Properly getting on my tits
unrepentant said:
ahpboxster said:
unrepentant said:
They have deposits for a few hundred cars. But according to their accounts the deposit holders money is gone so in reality they have unfulfilled orders.
Sorry..not with you ...Can you direct me to this bit on the Accts..?
I can clearly see the Bridging Finance and the Welsh Govt loan coming in.
I’m pretty sure I can also see the trail of Depositors monies from 2016 onwards. This has increased..not decreased.
Need you to enlighten me please..???
ahpboxster said:
As for your comment on Heritage, if that is the case why are so many TVR owners on here talking about it and being deposit holders.
There are lots of us that are the opposite and are sitting on our Sagaris's etc. very disappointed in the new car and how untrue it is the its heritage. Not remotely contemplating purchasing the new carhttps://motor-vision.co.uk/latest-news/new-tvr-gri...
It is very easy to be lead down the garden path by those on the side lines who 'think' they know. The 'facts' we know so far.... the project has been held up by factors outside their control but significant news will come in the near future! I believe this news will kill off much of the negative speculation!
Sit back... be patient... and if you can't wait for the delayed delivery go buy something else! Im sure there will be plenty folk ready to jump into those deposits once we get the news and the media machine starts turning in 2019.
It is very easy to be lead down the garden path by those on the side lines who 'think' they know. The 'facts' we know so far.... the project has been held up by factors outside their control but significant news will come in the near future! I believe this news will kill off much of the negative speculation!
Sit back... be patient... and if you can't wait for the delayed delivery go buy something else! Im sure there will be plenty folk ready to jump into those deposits once we get the news and the media machine starts turning in 2019.
Graham007 said:
https://motor-vision.co.uk/latest-news/new-tvr-gri...
It is very easy to be lead down the garden path by those on the side lines who 'think' they know.
That article is garbage. It’s content he’s lifted by reading around the web. If you check out the author, his primary occupation is “web designer” not journalist. It is very easy to be lead down the garden path by those on the side lines who 'think' they know.
Edited by m4tti on Saturday 8th December 07:43
V6 Pushfit said:
m4tti said:
That article is garbage. It’s content he’s lifted by reading around the web. If you check out the author, his primary occupation is “web designer” not journalist.
Why is it garbage as it seems a reasonable current overview ?It’s not like the tender process is a new thing though and tvr themselves said they hadn’t even sourced most of the parts yet.
El stovey said:
Seems like the article (blog really) is blaming the EU tender process for the delay and saying the delays aren’t TVRs fault.
It’s not like the tender process is a new thing though
My point on page 2. There’s a cock up in there unless the Welsh had hoped to avoid it.It’s not like the tender process is a new thing though
Also it’s not a 7 month process and it can be shortened
El stovey said:
V6 Pushfit said:
m4tti said:
That article is garbage. It’s content he’s lifted by reading around the web. If you check out the author, his primary occupation is “web designer” not journalist.
Why is it garbage as it seems a reasonable current overview ?It’s not like the tender process is a new thing though and tvr themselves said they hadn’t even sourced most of the parts yet.
I think that Government involvement is something that should not be overlooked. Government has an equity stake in TVR (small, but still) and there is the prospect of creating jobs in a very depressed area. I'm sure that's got local politicians pretty excited and the true bill will only be due after they left office. So once that train picks up speed, it will keep rolling.
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