New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
Byker28i said:
V41LEY said:
C'mon you lot - they have a strategy - like it or loathe it - all will be revealed in due course.
i was there today and thought it was great Les was fronting up (on his own) the stand and
sharing facts with enthusiasts.
i.e. Apparently the car is completely flat underneath to add to the aero effects.
Why show a car when they are not ready ? If anyone went today and looked at the
dreadful Bentaygo ? Rear door had dropped about 2 inches and didn't close properly.
Side exiting exhausts in the front wing, cats in there as well, to allow for the flat floor and aerodynamics. Ground effect over 80mph, were all things talked about by Les last year. He said then the issues were in packaging the necessary electronics etc. The easy bit was putting a drive train etc into the body, it was adding all the other modern requirements and making it look neat.i was there today and thought it was great Les was fronting up (on his own) the stand and
sharing facts with enthusiasts.
i.e. Apparently the car is completely flat underneath to add to the aero effects.
Why show a car when they are not ready ? If anyone went today and looked at the
dreadful Bentaygo ? Rear door had dropped about 2 inches and didn't close properly.
Fitting big enough silencers to keep such a short exhaust EU legal could be a messy prospect. And a massive amount of heat to be needing to shift from the engine bay. Are the road cars really going to have side exhausts or will it just be the race cars where you don't have to pack in silencers and cats and where a flat floor is actually relevant?
The Typhon manages a pretty flat floor that was good enough for their aero testing at the time with rear pipes.
17 years ago TVR built a car that is pretty much compliant to the specs being mooted today for the new car and took it to Le Mans and finished. And that was with an engine that was nowhere near as robust as their competition. Their Ford engine will easily be able to keep a car on pace. Besides, how many Le Mans series tracks truly need ground effect that can't be bolted on?
The Typhon manages a pretty flat floor that was good enough for their aero testing at the time with rear pipes.
17 years ago TVR built a car that is pretty much compliant to the specs being mooted today for the new car and took it to Le Mans and finished. And that was with an engine that was nowhere near as robust as their competition. Their Ford engine will easily be able to keep a car on pace. Besides, how many Le Mans series tracks truly need ground effect that can't be bolted on?
DonkeyApple said:
Fitting big enough silencers to keep such a short exhaust EU legal could be a messy prospect. And a massive amount of heat to be needing to shift from the engine bay. Are the road cars really going to have side exhausts or will it just be the race cars where you don't have to pack in silencers and cats and where a flat floor is actually relevant?
The Typhon manages a pretty flat floor that was good enough for their aero testing at the time with rear pipes.
17 years ago TVR built a car that is pretty much compliant to the specs being mooted today for the new car and took it to Le Mans and finished. And that was with an engine that was nowhere near as robust as their competition. Their Ford engine will easily be able to keep a car on pace. Besides, how many Le Mans series tracks truly need ground effect that can't be bolted on?
I shouldn't have thought that's a lot more difficult than with a MR car - the NC NSX, for example. Mind you, the side vents would need to be very functional and I'd imagine warm legs are an inevitable!The Typhon manages a pretty flat floor that was good enough for their aero testing at the time with rear pipes.
17 years ago TVR built a car that is pretty much compliant to the specs being mooted today for the new car and took it to Le Mans and finished. And that was with an engine that was nowhere near as robust as their competition. Their Ford engine will easily be able to keep a car on pace. Besides, how many Le Mans series tracks truly need ground effect that can't be bolted on?
I really hope this comes off OK. It may end up being too much car for me, but it's one I really want to see on sale!
lol
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 9th May 08:09
Byker28i said:
lol
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
D
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Some good info there Byker. When I spoke to Les he also said about 1st gear being high and whilst good for 0-60 time as you say, for driveability probably better to lower it as mid range is most import for gear ratios. When I asked about Cosworth and what they were doing he said they concentrating on torque rather than bhp gains. In terms of performance, target is 400 bhp per tonne and target weight is 1150kg but the required safety features adding more weight so overall weight of car will likely creep up so more likely to be 1200kg or even 1250kg but they will still target 400bhp per tonne so increase the power to match the weight.So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
D
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 9th May 08:09
Colour choices will be several with some limited to the LE car only.
External panels mix of composites, steel and aluminum. No GRP on the new car.
Car will be revealed first to customers who have placed a deposit. This will be at an event in August, possibly July and at a venue big enough to cater for all 400 plus depositeers.
Car will also have specific manufactured tyres for car which regulations require when top speed exceeds 186 mph.
Les was articulate, knowledgeable and enthusiastic about the new car. I can't wait to see it!
essexstu said:
Byker28i said:
lol
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
D
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Some good info there Byker. When I spoke to Les he also said about 1st gear being high and whilst good for 0-60 time as you say, for driveability probably better to lower it as mid range is most import for gear ratios. When I asked about Cosworth and what they were doing he said they concentrating on torque rather than bhp gains. In terms of performance, target is 400 bhp per tonne and target weight is 1150kg but the required safety features adding more weight so overall weight of car will likely creep up so more likely to be 1200kg or even 1250kg but they will still target 400bhp per tonne so increase the power to match the weight.So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
D
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 9th May 08:09
Colour choices will be several with some limited to the LE car only.
External panels mix of composites, steel and aluminum. No GRP on the new car.
Car will be revealed first to customers who have placed a deposit. This will be at an event in August, possibly July and at a venue big enough to cater for all 400 plus depositeers.
Car will also have specific manufactured tyres for car which regulations require when top speed exceeds 186 mph.
Les was articulate, knowledgeable and enthusiastic about the new car. I can't wait to see it!
Les, at Neil Garners last September said that he attended the TVRCC events (Like Millbrook and Neil's)because he is very aware that probably most of the initial customer base are existing TVR owners....
So, my take on the (perhaps) lack of 'promotion', is that once the new cars are with (existing TVR owning?)customers and also the press, then a broader advertising campaign can start.
Nick
Byker28i said:
lol
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
I'm not going to commit to buying a car, before I have driven one. nor will I part with any more money, until just before production, of my car.So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 9th May 08:09
Edited by BJWoods on Monday 9th May 09:42
BJWoods said:
I'm not going to commit to buying a car, before I have driven one.
It's not a Golf though. That's a far too Germanic way of thinking. 
TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves. DonkeyApple said:
It's not a Golf though. That's a far too Germanic way of thinking. TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves.
BS - I'm way down the queue, cars will be on the road, probably a yr before mine gets built (production likely into late 2018.) So Not willing to part with any more cash, until I have driven one, and pay any more money until just before they start production. Passion get people so far, and the string backed gloves quip is utterly uncalled for.. TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves. Edited by BJWoods on Monday 9th May 09:59
DonkeyApple said:
It's not a Golf though. That's a far too Germanic way of thinking. TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves.
Well said Donkey. Sometimes in life you have to go with your heart not your head. TVR is all about heart. That's why I love my Tuscan and will never sell it. I like my 911 but would sell it tomorrow as I have no emotional attachment to it. That's what makes TVR different. TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves. essexstu said:
Well said Donkey. Sometimes in life you have to go with your heart not your head. TVR is all about heart. That's why I love my Tuscan and will never sell it. I like my 911 but would sell it tomorrow as I have no emotional attachment to it. That's what makes TVR different.
no = TVR's are all about good design, and many other things. call bulls
t to all about heart - (TVR owner for over 20 yrs) people role out the "heart stuff, when product is a bit crap, and they are trying to delude themselves, that the team is any good, and willfully ignore problems, less 'heart' - - ie - lets build our own engines, and TVR would never have failed.
No BJ, I meant heart over head to buy a TVR in the first place. The safe logical purchase is a 911 or Audi R8, that's what using your head to buy a performance car does. Buying with your heart changes things because I love my TVR. The design is bold, outlandish and the performance is bonkers. It's a car that gets far more positive attention than the porker ever will. And my Tuscan has been just as reliable as the 911.
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