New TVR still under wraps!

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blueg33

20,436 posts

163 months

Monday 11th March
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Gazzab said:
unrepentant said:
This isn't a multi national plc. It's a small business. To succeed you need an entrepreneur who can make decisions and exercise control. Someone who can cut through the bureaucratic and logistical BS and get things done. Can you see a Peter Wheeler or a William Lyons or a Ferruccio Lamborghini presiding over this debacle?
Exactly! Governments, ftse100’s etc are run by committees. A start up like Tvr needs effective and cut through the bs leadership.
Not sure I would use peter Wheeler's name in the same vein as William Lyons or Ferruccio Lamborghini TBH, but I do see the point you are making.

The problem TVR appear to have is that they are trying to work with the public sector - in my day job we do this all of the time, progress is always glacial.

John_S4x4

1,296 posts

196 months

Monday 11th March
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Isn't there a number of low volume car manufacturers in Wales, already producing sports cars ? Just not out of a nice factory ?

N7GTX

3,804 posts

82 months

Monday 11th March
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Not according to the SMMT. Gilbern died in 1973. Aston and TVR supposed to be building in Wales. Toyota hybrid engines on Deeside. Unless someone knows more?

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/04/quarter-of-a-billio...

bullittmcqueen

715 posts

30 months

Monday 11th March
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https://www.facebook.com/pg/BonBon-Films-111774247...

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(inspired by a post in the facebook deposit holders group)

m4tti

4,236 posts

94 months

Monday 11th March
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bullittmcqueen said:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/BonBon-Films-111774247...

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(inspired by a post in the facebook deposit holders group)
Uhh help me out. What’s actually new on that page.
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bullittmcqueen

715 posts

30 months

Monday 11th March
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m4tti said:
bullittmcqueen said:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/BonBon-Films-111774247...

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(inspired by a post in the facebook deposit holders group)
Uhh help me out. What’s actually new on that page.
Nothing, but i hadn't yet seen the latest batch.


edit: The post in the other group suggests work is progressing on the documentary. Don't want to post that content here, but found this when looking at their facebook page.

Edited by bullittmcqueen on Monday 11th March 19:43

Gazzab

16,957 posts

221 months

Monday 11th March
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Breaking news / latest news per Tvr’s website is now 7 months ago...! They are really on it. They need a leading tech leader to help them.

andyvdg

1,479 posts

222 months

Monday 11th March
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andyvdg said:
andyvdg said:
<Pops head around door and sees if there is a car to be bought yet; I'll come back in a year>
<Pops head around the door again and sees if there is a car to be bought yet; I'll come back again in another year>
Pops head around the door yet again and sees if there is a car to be bought; I'll come back again in another year.

midenginedcoupe

4,107 posts

71 months

Monday 11th March
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Gazzab said:
Breaking news / latest news per Tvr’s website is now 7 months ago...! They are really on it. They need a leading tech leader to help them.
If by “tech” you mean IT/digital, I’d suggest that’s the least of their worries frown

Gazzab

16,957 posts

221 months

Monday 11th March
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midenginedcoupe said:
If by “tech” you mean IT/digital, I’d suggest that’s the least of their worries frown
I mean a leader in the tech savvy world. Someone who can launch a new product and use social media etc and market their product and talk to their customer base.

They are fortunate that the communication platforms are there, that they have a huge number of people hungry to listen etc. But they don’t bother.

midenginedcoupe

4,107 posts

71 months

Monday 11th March
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Gazzab said:
midenginedcoupe said:
If by “tech” you mean IT/digital, I’d suggest that’s the least of their worries frown
I mean a leader in the tech savvy world. Someone who can launch a new product and use social media etc and market their product and talk to their customer base.

They are fortunate that the communication platforms are there, that they have a huge number of people hungry to listen etc. But they don’t bother.
In which case my point stands.

They’d be better off binning the website and social media entirely and focusing on getting an actual product to sell.

They have deposits already, they have a bunch of people eager to buy, they “just” need a product they can actually sell.

Lining up more eager eventual purchasers isn’t going to help them get their damned product built and delivered to market. This isn’t a social media problem - it’s much worse than that.

Graham007

18 posts

19 months

Tuesday 12th March
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I think the point here is that pushing promotion of the car (as much as we all want it) isn't their top priority , and rightly so! They told us there have been delays with the factory, which is I'd say is a major factor in starting production! Personally I think it is absolutely right to hold back on the PR machine until the production line is ready to roll rather than 'here's the car world... ohh but its not available yet and we are having inevitable issues getting a new business venture off the ground'. Im sure Les (who according to some doesn't have much control....lol), as a successful business man is bang on it!

Monkeylegend

15,143 posts

170 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Graham007 said:
I think the point here is that pushing promotion of the car (as much as we all want it) isn't their top priority , and rightly so! They told us there have been delays with the factory, which is I'd say is a major factor in starting production! Personally I think it is absolutely right to hold back on the PR machine until the production line is ready to roll rather than 'here's the car world... ohh but its not available yet and we are having inevitable issues getting a new business venture off the ground'. Im sure Les (who according to some doesn't have much control....lol), as a successful business man is bang on it!
Not when you start taking peoples money as deposits as TVR have been going for the last 3 years or so. At that stage all these current issues should have been sorted.

Depositors have paid for a car to be built and delivered, the deposit should be saying the car has been developed and tested, here is our new factory, everything is now in place, your car will be delivered in X months.

To be sitting here nearly 4 years later with no car. no factory, no staff to build them, not enough parts, no testing and development mules, doesn't indicate to me a business man who is bang on it.

Who is actually going to be doing the testing and development of this car even if it does surface in the next 12 months or so?

And what has happened to Spag, he is now as conspicuous in his absence as the Griffith. Too many naughty biscuits on a Saturday night, sitting on the naughty step, banned from this thread, banned for life? Who knows hehe

NRS

13,718 posts

140 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Monkeylegend said:
Graham007 said:
I think the point here is that pushing promotion of the car (as much as we all want it) isn't their top priority , and rightly so! They told us there have been delays with the factory, which is I'd say is a major factor in starting production! Personally I think it is absolutely right to hold back on the PR machine until the production line is ready to roll rather than 'here's the car world... ohh but its not available yet and we are having inevitable issues getting a new business venture off the ground'. Im sure Les (who according to some doesn't have much control....lol), as a successful business man is bang on it!
Not when you start taking peoples money as deposits as TVR have been going for the last 3 years or so. At that stage all these current issues should have been sorted.

Depositors have paid for a car to be built and delivered, the deposit should be saying the car has been developed and tested, here is our new factory, everything is now in place, your car will be delivered in X months.

To be sitting here nearly 4 years later with no car. no factory, no staff to build them, not enough parts, no testing and development mules, doesn't indicate to me a business man who is bang on it.

Who is actually going to be doing the testing and development of this car even if it does surface in the next 12 months or so?

And what has happened to Spag, he is now as conspicuous in his absence as the Griffith. Too many naughty biscuits on a Saturday night, sitting on the naughty step, banned from this thread, banned for life? Who knows hehe
Yes, that is obvious. But getting more people interested now due to higher profile online, getting more deposits etc is not a good idea, as you'll just put more people off the brand later when they keep delaying things. It's much better to wait and (hopefully) things on the factory get sorted soon, and hopefully they keep enough people believing it will come. Otherwise it will fall apart at some point.

Classic Chim

8,788 posts

88 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Talking of strategy there must have been a plan of how to bring the car to the public in reasonable time frames all along surely?
Which include things like the building, parts supply etc etc.
Is it simply a case of investment being the issue until Brexit is decided, I certainly hope so as it seems like it’s effecting more than just TVR’s hopes and aspirations,,, depending on what side your on!
Basically if we are to believe TVR the factory should be on its way this year which would be pretty pointless if they didn’t build cars there so surely on that side of things they have plans and are ready to go. A small team can build a car if they have parts lying around!

Why would you have a factory of this size without testing plans and people lined up to do it. Surely as soon as production commemces you will hsve some test mules within days or weeks, surely the car has to be made road legal ASAP?
I just put blind faith in the hope details like this are well in place and they have plans to do all this quick sharpe once some money flows.
It’s been so long I’m not even sure why it’s all been delayed?
And yellow cards are one thing, bans another frown
It was the 6 nations weekend and Wales are ruining the party big time biglaugh
Give him a break hehe

El stovey

25,164 posts

202 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Monkeylegend said:
And what has happened to Spag, he is now as conspicuous in his absence as the Griffith. Too many naughty biscuits on a Saturday night, sitting on the naughty step, banned from this thread, banned for life? Who knows hehe
Banned looks like.

He’s revived this old griff thread (after it was dead for a year) instead. hehe

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

What’s notable is the complete lack of progress over the last year (at least)

bertie

7,816 posts

223 months

Tuesday 12th March
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In my mind, the factory delays / Welsh Government / EU tendering etc. are not the issue, and strike me as smokescreen.

The thing that concerns me is that they dont seem to have a finished, developed, tested product ready to make.

If there were half a dozen prototypes rumbling around Milbrook, MIRA and on the roads I'd still be in.

Zeb74

92 posts

68 months

Tuesday 12th March
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<mode sarcastic on>

You mean that the new team has over estimated is ability to conduct this project?

When we have a look to Les wiki page this part is quite funny:

"The pair called their future as software developers into question when they spent their money fixing bugs and updating the manual, but Edgar then had the idea of writing games.[2] A friend of Molyneux's asked him to convert Druid II: Enlightenment to the Amiga, and he and Edgar exaggerated their abilities.[2][3] According to Edgar, it was during the conversion that they learnt to move sprites, and developed a routine for animation."

<mode sarcastic off>

Seriously, I'm really wishing the best to this project. Even if Les has exaggerated his skills, he has done Populous then, which was a great product.

N7GTX

3,804 posts

82 months

Tuesday 12th March
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El stovey said:
Banned looks like.

He’s revived this old griff thread (after it was dead for a year) instead. hehe

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

What’s notable is the complete lack of progress over the last year (at least)
Congrats on your 25,000th post. wink (well, it was when I quoted you)

El stovey

25,164 posts

202 months

Tuesday 12th March
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N7GTX said:
El stovey said:
Banned looks like.

He’s revived this old griff thread (after it was dead for a year) instead. hehe

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

What’s notable is the complete lack of progress over the last year (at least)
Congrats on your 25,000th post. wink (well, it was when I quoted you)
Cool that it was about a TVR like my first, back in 2002 when Blair was PM and I was single and had no kids and more hair. hehe

Edited by El stovey on Tuesday 12th March 11:20