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Latest news from Edgar is that Garibaldi's have now been loaded into the Vending Machine and testing is well underway. A grant from the Welsh Government is needed for a biscuit tin.
The LE model will also be joined by the LEZ model (Launch Edition Zimmerframe). This is to accommodate the ageing deposit holders lack of mobility. TVR will deliver the car with a racing aluminium hoist to aid entry and egress.
Delivery cars will be supplied with a full tank of fuel; given that most fuel stations are EV only.
The deposits are still safe and due to the effects of compound inflation have now wiped out UK debt and cured world hunger.
Latest news from Edgar is that Garibaldi's have now been loaded into the Vending Machine and testing is well underway. A grant from the Welsh Government is needed for a biscuit tin.
The LE model will also be joined by the LEZ model (Launch Edition Zimmerframe). This is to accommodate the ageing deposit holders lack of mobility. TVR will deliver the car with a racing aluminium hoist to aid entry and egress.
Delivery cars will be supplied with a full tank of fuel; given that most fuel stations are EV only.
The deposits are still safe and due to the effects of compound inflation have now wiped out UK debt and cured world hunger.
Tyre Smoke said:
bullittmcqueen said:
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... the team at TVR have come so far in a relatively short period. There’s always haters out there and people that think they can do better. The team have overcome so many obstacles. We hope to show you progress in the production side very shortly ...
... the team at TVR have come so far in a relatively short period. There’s always haters out there and people that think they can do better. The team have overcome so many obstacles. We hope to show you progress in the production side very shortly ...
Horse manure!
They've done nothing but arguably conned a lot of people out of money, put some vinyl on a LMP1 team and promised the earth and delivered FA.
I could have done what they have done.
Not sure about your comment. If you suggest mal-intent on their side, it would probably go down as the worst con in history, ever. Spend 5 years and private millions, build a car, do press-releases, get brand-names on board, get the government on board and repay depositors pulling their deposits. Yeah, that's one fine coup.
Saying they are managing this wrongly is a different matter. But then, anyone must acknowledge that we live in changing times, the task is gargantuan and time is against them. So yes, i think they've put a lot of hard and honest work into it and having a final car, built to the approval-specs is one huge milestone. One can, and you do, argue, that without building it, it looks as if they've achieved nothing, but think it's a rather limited point of view.
The near future will tell.
bullittmcqueen said:
Saying they are managing this wrongly is a different matter. But then, anyone must acknowledge that we live in changing times, the task is gargantuan and time is against them. So yes, i think they've put a lot of hard and honest work into it and having a final car, built to the approval-specs is one huge milestone. One can, and you do, argue, that without building it, it looks as if they've achieved nothing, but think it's a rather limited point of view.
The near future will tell.
And maybe they have underestimated the amount of work but I think you are totally right. The near future will tell.
We need those kind of mad guys else live would be boring.
bertie said:
Forget the factory for a moment...
Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
I have been thinking that in the grand scheme of things getting a building with heating, electric, lights and toilets probably isn't as big a task as having numerous companies lined up to actually make the unique items that need fixing together (along with the off the shelf bits) to make lots of complete cars. Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
Especially for a new company, would it be payment up front, where would the parts be delivered to. Oh, to the factory. Chicken and egg !?
(I'd assume that designing everything that needs designing would have been completed by GMD involvement. Possibly minus any changes that may be required after testing?)
bertie said:
Forget the factory for a moment...
Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
Design yes, hot cold durability to the extent possible. Sourced 75% as of last update probably more in the meantime. Production-ready depends. It's quite a feat to pull off. Type approval must still happen, factory fitting etc. I guess now that the factory will happen, there will be more cars soon, driving around, testing, etc.. There will be a base staff, assembling and deassembling back and forth, getting used to the production process etc.. So when this picks up speed ( and based on my impression of the latest update, Facebook, etc.) it's a "when" for me, not an "if" ) there will be a lot more visible, reportable progress. Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
Looking forward to it.
bertie said:
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Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
Of course it isn't a finished design, that's why they are building a separate 'smaller training, test and prototype build facility'. A facility to build and test prototypes.Does anyone think the car is a finished design, hot, cold, durability tested, completed, all components designed & sourced, the whole thing ready to go into production?
The question is whether the car will prove to be the only one made, or the first of many more?
bullittmcqueen said:
Design yes, hot cold durability to the extent possible. Sourced 75% as of last update probably more in the meantime. Production-ready depends. It's quite a feat to pull off. Type approval must still happen, factory fitting etc. I guess now that the factory will happen, there will be more cars soon, driving around, testing, etc.. There will be a base staff, assembling and deassembling back and forth, getting used to the production process etc.. So when this picks up speed ( and based on my impression of the latest update, Facebook, etc.) it's a "when" for me, not an "if" ) there will be a lot more visible, reportable progress.
Looking forward to it.
Making one show car is one thing, even a fuctioning one, you can bodge stuff together so it looks great on the surface, and it's what every manufacturer does.Looking forward to it.
Designing a whole production ready car from scratch is a very different thing with all the testing, validation, legislative compliance, parts design, parts testing and sourcing.
I've had an involvement with a lot of car sompanies over the years doing this and no one has ever managed to achieve that utilising one show car to my knowledge.
There is usualy a fairly common process of mule cars, XP cars, VP cars, TT cars before you get to final testing and sign off, then production.
Maybe TVR have some amazing new design, development and testing process that allows them to do this and will revolutionise the industry....
bertie said:
Making one show car is one thing, even a fuctioning one, you can bodge stuff together so it looks great on the surface, and it's what every manufacturer does.
Designing a whole production ready car from scratch is a very different thing with all the testing, validation, legislative compliance, parts design, parts testing and sourcing.
I've had an involvement with a lot of car sompanies over the years doing this and no one has ever managed to achieve that utilising one show car to my knowledge.
There is usualy a fairly common process of mule cars, XP cars, VP cars, TT cars before you get to final testing and sign off, then production.
Maybe TVR have some amazing new design, development and testing process that allows them to do this and will revolutionise the industry....
I don't think they'll revolutionize the industry, but the car (granted the only one) is not a mock-up. While not being built with production tooling and mass-produced parts, i guess it's as close to the finished product as you can get at this stage. I looked at it in detail for longer than an hour (it sure has my fingerprints still on it Designing a whole production ready car from scratch is a very different thing with all the testing, validation, legislative compliance, parts design, parts testing and sourcing.
I've had an involvement with a lot of car sompanies over the years doing this and no one has ever managed to achieve that utilising one show car to my knowledge.
There is usualy a fairly common process of mule cars, XP cars, VP cars, TT cars before you get to final testing and sign off, then production.
Maybe TVR have some amazing new design, development and testing process that allows them to do this and will revolutionise the industry....
) and it looked remarkably good quality-wise. While GM Design is not the largest of companies, bringing vehicles from concept to production is their core business. And their focus is on compliance with regulations, specs, safety and regulatory requirements, not leaving production aspects aside. Also there have been mules, testing, simulations etc. all over. I am not sure this can be said of the TVRs of old.
Actually..............there seems to be two cars.
Pulled up a little earlier outside their office. There is this wrapped white one on the right and out of site on the left is the red car.
BTW, the office is named Griffith House
It's a cunning plan that they are using an old CRV as a mule. Who would notice?
Pulled up a little earlier outside their office. There is this wrapped white one on the right and out of site on the left is the red car.
BTW, the office is named Griffith House
It's a cunning plan that they are using an old CRV as a mule. Who would notice?
bullittmcqueen said:
bertie said:
Making one show car is one thing, even a fuctioning one, you can bodge stuff together so it looks great on the surface, and it's what every manufacturer does.
Designing a whole production ready car from scratch is a very different thing with all the testing, validation, legislative compliance, parts design, parts testing and sourcing.
I've had an involvement with a lot of car sompanies over the years doing this and no one has ever managed to achieve that utilising one show car to my knowledge.
There is usualy a fairly common process of mule cars, XP cars, VP cars, TT cars before you get to final testing and sign off, then production.
Maybe TVR have some amazing new design, development and testing process that allows them to do this and will revolutionise the industry....
While GM Design is not the largest of companies, bringing vehicles from concept to production is their core business. And their focus is on compliance with regulations, specs, safety and regulatory requirements, not leaving production aspects aside. Also there have been mules, testing, simulations etc. all over. I am not sure this can be said of the TVRs of old.Designing a whole production ready car from scratch is a very different thing with all the testing, validation, legislative compliance, parts design, parts testing and sourcing.
I've had an involvement with a lot of car sompanies over the years doing this and no one has ever managed to achieve that utilising one show car to my knowledge.
There is usualy a fairly common process of mule cars, XP cars, VP cars, TT cars before you get to final testing and sign off, then production.
Maybe TVR have some amazing new design, development and testing process that allows them to do this and will revolutionise the industry....
I’m having to stifle some laughter as I type this.
phazed said:
Actually..............there seems to be two cars.
Pulled up a little earlier outside their office. There is this wrapped white one on the right and out of site on the left is the red car.
BTW, the office is named Griffith House
It's a cunning plan that they are using an old CRV as a mule. Who would notice?
So there are definitely 2 fully built cars? If so, why not tell us? It would help to appease those thinking of returning deposits, wouldn't it? Pulled up a little earlier outside their office. There is this wrapped white one on the right and out of site on the left is the red car.
BTW, the office is named Griffith House
It's a cunning plan that they are using an old CRV as a mule. Who would notice?
Peter, not such a cunning plan - you rumbled it
N7GTX said:
So there are definitely 2 fully built cars? If so, why not tell us? It would help to appease those thinking of returning deposits, wouldn't it?
Peter, not such a cunning plan - you rumbled it
Thought the white one was just a shell - the one used at the original 'deposit holders' reveal. Peter, not such a cunning plan - you rumbled it
bullittmcqueen said:
I don't think they'll revolutionize the industry, but the car (granted the only one) is not a mock-up. While not being built with production tooling and mass-produced parts, i guess it's as close to the finished product as you can get at this stage. I looked at it in detail for longer than an hour (it sure has my fingerprints still on it ) and it looked remarkably good quality-wise.
While GM Design is not the largest of companies, bringing vehicles from concept to production is their core business. And their focus is on compliance with regulations, specs, safety and regulatory requirements, not leaving production aspects aside. Also there have been mules, testing, simulations etc. all over. I am not sure this can be said of the TVRs of old.
I very carefully said it was a functioning prototype, not a mock-up. ) and it looked remarkably good quality-wise. While GM Design is not the largest of companies, bringing vehicles from concept to production is their core business. And their focus is on compliance with regulations, specs, safety and regulatory requirements, not leaving production aspects aside. Also there have been mules, testing, simulations etc. all over. I am not sure this can be said of the TVRs of old.
As close as you can get at this stage... it’s certainly the first step, but there’s been no or next to no progress. Where are the next 4 testing cars?
As for bringing cars to market being GM core business, just remind me what they’ve got in production I can go and buy?
m4tti said:
Bullit you’re hitting new levels of comedy. You’re just free styling now, with your optimism gonads. Remind us of how many concepts GM has put out and brought to market in the last decade.
I’m having to stifle some laughter as I type this.
m4tti, always glad to cheer you up !! I’m having to stifle some laughter as I type this.
But what i stated is what they offer on their website, so hardly comedy. GMD has been doing this for a while, has some 50+ staff and is making money with it and most of the stuff they do is probably not visible. As i said, not the biggest of companies, but i'm sure they are doing some rigorous engineering there. This is not GM doing the calculations on the kitchen-table himself.
I'll bet you a pint that i can pick up my Griff in 2020 !
Cheers
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